Heat and Temperature Equations-Separation of variables

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The discussion revolves around the application of separation of variables to solve heat and temperature equations, particularly in the context of a rod experiencing heat loss. Participants are seeking assistance with the methodology and specific steps involved in the problem-solving process.

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  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to begin the problem and requests help.
  • Another participant suggests starting with the separation of variables method and provides a general form for the function involved.
  • A detailed approach is presented, outlining the rates of heat loss and changes in temperature, leading to a partial differential equation.
  • A participant shares their progress on the problem and requests confirmation of their results while seeking help with subsequent parts of the question.
  • Another participant attempts to derive a specific solution form using online resources but reports difficulties in finding the coefficients involved.
  • A participant mentions having established new boundary conditions for the problem but expresses uncertainty about the next steps to take.

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Participants generally express uncertainty and seek clarification on various aspects of the problem. There is no consensus on the methods or solutions, and multiple viewpoints on the approach to the problem are present.

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Participants have not resolved the mathematical steps involved in applying the separation of variables method, and there are indications of missing assumptions regarding boundary conditions and the specifics of the heat transfer model.

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I really don't how to start this question. Please help me.

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grandy said:
I really don't how to start this question. Please help me.


Hi grandy, :)

Welcome to MHB! I think you have been given how to start this problem in the heading; Separation of Variables. So initially what you have to do is write the function \(\psi\) as,

\[\psi(x,t)=A(x)B(t)\]

A good introduction about the method of separation of variables can be found >>here<<.

Kind Regards,
Sudharaka.
 
Consider an element of the rod having length dx and situated at x:
1. Rate of heat loss by this element to the surroundings = h.φ.dx ; so that
Heat loss to surroundings in time dt = h.φ.dx.dt
Change in temperature due to heat loss to surroundings in dt = h.φ.dx.dt/(ρ.A.c.dx)

2. Rate of heat loss by conductivity along the rod = [dφ(x+dx)/dx – dφ(x)/dx].k.A
Change in temperature of the element in time dt = [dφ(x+dx)/dx – dφ(x)/dx].dt.k.A/(ρ.A.c.dx)]

3. Total change in temperature dφ = [dφ(x+dx)/dx – dφ(x)/dx].dt.k.A/(ρ.A.c.dx)]-h.φ.dt/(ρ.A… giving:
∂φ/∂t = [dφ(x+dx)/dx – dφ(x)/dx].k/(ρ.c.dx)]-h.φ/(ρ.A.c)
Now [dφ(x+dx)/dx – dφ(x)/dx]/dx = ∂²φ/∂x² giving finally:
∂φ/∂t = (k/ρc).∂²φ/∂x² - φ.h./(ρ.A.c)

I did the first part a) would please check my answer and confirm me the result, Now would you please help me with the second part. I looked at the separation of variables but I was unable to do this one because it is tough for me. Your help is really appreciated.
 
I try to show that θ(x,t)= θ_0+∑_(n=1)^∞▒〖B_n e^(-k/ρc ((n^2 π^2)/l^2 +h/KA)t ) Sin (nπx/l)〗by looking at paul online notes but I was unsucessful. And also i was unable to find the value of Bn too. This qs is impossible tough., Please help me.
 
now i have finished the first and second of this qs. for the third part of qs, I have got the new boundary condition but again I am not sure . would please help me.In that case the BC at L/2 would become
∂θ(L/2,t)/∂x = 0, meaning it is like an insulated end with no heat flow across it.

After that I dnt know how to do?
 

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