Heat Capacity of Bomb Calorimeter: Questions & Answers

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The discussion revolves around the heat capacity of a bomb calorimeter, specifically focusing on calculations involving the combustion of methane and acetylene. Participants explore the methodology for determining heat capacity and the energy of combustion, addressing both theoretical and practical aspects of calorimetry.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines a method for calculating the heat capacity of the bomb calorimeter using the combustion of methane, expressing uncertainty about the signs of their results.
  • Another participant clarifies that the energy of combustion corresponds to the enthalpy of the reaction and suggests using the formula Q = mcΔT for heat calculations.
  • There is a discussion about the convention of signs in thermodynamics, with one participant noting that energy produced in the reaction is typically represented as negative.
  • A participant questions the accuracy of their calculations and mentions discrepancies between their results and the textbook answer.
  • Clarification is sought on whether the energy of combustion refers to E (energy) or H (heat), with participants confirming it is delta H.
  • One participant expresses gratitude for the discussion, indicating that class instruction helped clarify their understanding of the topic.

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Participants generally agree on the use of the enthalpy concept and the basic formula for heat calculations. However, there are discrepancies regarding the signs of the energy values and the accuracy of the calculations, indicating unresolved issues in the discussion.

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Participants express uncertainty about the correct application of signs in thermodynamic equations and the potential for rounding errors in calculations. There is also a lack of consensus on the specific formulas to use in these scenarios.

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Question: The heat capacity of a bomb calorimeter was determined by burning 6.79 g of methane (energy of combustion = -802 kJ/mol CH4) in the bomb. The temperature changed by 10.8 degrees C.
a. What is the heat capacity of the bomb?
b. A 12.6 g sample of acetylene, C2H2, produced a temperature increase of 16.9 degrees C in the same calorimeter. What is the energy of combustion of acetylene (in kJ/mol) ?


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I wasn't even sure if there were specific equations to use...I did figure out the problem, but I just did so by logic...kinda.

The Attempt at a Solution


So for Part A, I first converted the 6.79 g of CH4 to mols, and I got about 0.423 mols. Since I didn't remember if there was a formula for this or not, I kind of just logically figured out to multiply by the -802 kJ/mol, so that mols would cancel out. I then divided by the temperature change, 10.08 degrees C, so that my units would be in kJ/C...which is what heat capacity is measured in.

I ended up getting -31.4 kJ/mol. When I compare this to the answer in my book, it's not supposed to be negative. I can't figure out why.

For Part B, I basically used the same process. I looked at all of the data I had, and saw that I needed to get to kJ/mol. I converted the 12.6 g C2H2 to mols; I got about 0.483 mols. I took my answer from Part A, -31.4 kJ/C, and multiplied by the 16.9 degree temp change to cancel out celsius. I then divided by the mols to get -1098.67 kJ/mol.

So...why are my signs wrong? I believe all of the actual math is right. And is there a specific formula or easy way to do this?

Also, when it says "energy of combustion"...is that E, for energy, or H, for heat? Thanks!
 
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You are on the right track.

Energy of combustion is just an enthalpy of the reaction.

Q = m\: c\: \Delta T

Sign is a matter of convention, you probably forgot that minus means energy is produced in the reaction.

And this

kk727 said:
my units would be in kJ/C...which is what heat capacity is measured in.

I ended up getting -31.4 kJ/mol.

is a little bit off.
 
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So if energy of combustion is just enthalpy, it's delta H? I think my problem is just in identifying what information the problems give me. And I would use that formula...?

And by a little bit off, did you mean the math? When I actually did it, I got 33 point something, but my book said -31.4, so I just put that. I rounded at one point or another.
 
kk727 said:
So if energy of combustion is just enthalpy, it's delta H?

Yes.

And I would use that formula...?

That's the most basic thing in all heat balance questions. Amount of heat is mass times specific heat times delta T. Heat capacity of calorimeter is mc.

And by a little bit off, did you mean the math? When I actually did it, I got 33 point something, but my book said -31.4, so I just put that. I rounded at one point or another.

Watch your units.
 
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Okay, thank you so much! We went over it in class, and it helped me understand it better, too.

And just to double check signs...the energy flowing out of the methane (the "system") would be -802, but the energy is also flowing into the calorimeter (the "surroundings") so it's positive 802 with respect to this question?
 
Yes, that's the way it is done.
 

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