Heat energy change when gas compressed

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The discussion revolves around the thermodynamic behavior of an ideal gas during isothermal compression, specifically examining the energy changes associated with work done on the gas and heat transfer.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mixed

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between work done on the gas and heat transfer, questioning whether energy enters or leaves the system during isothermal compression. Some participants analyze the implications of the internal energy change being zero.

Discussion Status

Multiple interpretations of the energy transfer are being explored, with some participants suggesting that heat leaves the gas while work enters it, and others considering different scenarios if the process were not isothermal. There is a recognition of the complexity in understanding how heat and work interact in thermodynamic processes.

Contextual Notes

Participants are discussing the implications of isothermal conditions and the definitions of work and heat in the context of energy transfer, with some noting the potential for confusion in interpreting these concepts.

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Homework Statement



One mole of an ideal gas is in a container with a moveable piston. A 100 N force moves the piston down 1 m; the compression is isothermal.

Does 100 J of energy leave the gas or enter the gas?

Homework Equations



W=Fd
U=Q-W=Q-P(Vf-Vi)

The Attempt at a Solution



W=P(Vf-Vi). Since Vf<Vi, Vf-Vi<0, so W<0. Hence U=Q-W=Q+W. Since the compression is isothermal, U=0, so 0=Q+W <=> Q=-W <=> Q=100 J. So 100 J of heat enters the gas.
 
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Because the change in the internal energy is zero, as you rightly indicate, we know that no netto energy enters or leaves the system. This can also be seen from Q = W. The work done by the pressure of the gas is negative. This means that heat is leaving the system during the compression.
 
Ok, thanks. If the process weren't isothermal, then heat would enter the gas, right?
 
Not necessarily. We can let heat enter or leave the system by bringing it into contact with a source at a higher or lower temperature, or even isolate it and arrange for an adiabatic compression. Both Q and W signifies energy entering or leaving the system. In this case it enters via W and leaves via Q.
 
blueberryfive said:

Homework Statement



One mole of an ideal gas is in a container with a moveable piston. A 100 N force moves the piston down 1 m; the compression is isothermal.

Does 100 J of energy leave the gas or enter the gas?
Actually, both. Heat Q and work W are both considered "energy in transit." So 100 J energy enters by doing work on the gas, and leaves by removing heat from the gas.

Oops. I guess that's the same as Basic_Physics response. Please disregard.

Chet
 

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