Heat equation and stainless-steel wire

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The discussion revolves around estimating the steady-state current passing through a stainless-steel wire with specific dimensions when the center of the wire reaches its melting point. The problem involves the heat equation and considerations of thermal conductivity and resistivity at varying temperatures.

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  • Participants explore different models for heat transfer, including a more complex heat equation and a simpler planar geometry approach. There are discussions about the values used for thermal conductivity and resistivity, as well as the implications of these values on the estimated current.

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Some participants confirm the equations presented and discuss the values used for the radius of the wire. There is ongoing exploration of the discrepancies in the calculated current values, with suggestions to consider the temperature dependencies of thermal conductivity and resistivity.

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Participants note the lack of specific values for thermal conductivity and resistivity, which complicates the ability to arrive at a definitive solution. There is mention of the temperature range affecting these properties, suggesting a need for numerical methods or approximations to address the problem accurately.

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Homework Statement


A stainless-steel wire is 0.1 mm in diameter and 1 m long. If the outside of the
wire is held fixed at 20◦C, estimate the steady-state current passing through the wire
when the stainless steel at the centre of the wire begins to melt.

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The solution to the heat equation will be ##T=-\frac{Hr^2}{4\kappa} +c## The ln term disappears because the temperature must be finite at the origin.

H is the source term ##H=\frac{I^2R}{Al}= \frac{I^2\rho}{A^2}## where A is the c.s.a of the wire

Since the outer surface of the wire is held at 20 degrees
##c=293+\frac{Ha^2}{4\kappa} ## where a is the radius of the wire

##T=293+\frac{Ha^2}{4\kappa}-\frac{Hr^2}{4\kappa}##

Therefore the temperature at the centre of the wire is

##T=293+\frac{Ha^2}{4\kappa}##

setting ##T=1400## which we are told is the melting point of the wire we get

##1380 = \frac{I^2\rho a^2}{\pi^2 a^4 4\kappa}##

##I=\sqrt{\frac{4(1380) \pi^2 a^2 \kappa}{\rho}}##
However this isn't right but i can't see where I've gone wrong

Many thanks
 
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I obtained a similar expression for the current ## I ##, (with a 2 instead of a 4), when I used a much simpler heat transfer model, where I assumed the ## \Delta T ## occurred in a planar type geometry in a distance ## a ## and the surface area was ## 2 \pi a L ##. Thermal conductivity ## \kappa \approx 50 ## W(/m K) , but I think at elevated temperatures ## \rho ## is likely to increase from ## 10^{-7 } ## to perhaps ##10^{-6} ## or larger. The radius ##a=.5 \cdot 10^{-4} \, m ##, so that your answer may be in the right ballpark. It is also a somewhat extreme case where there is a heat sink at the surface that can keep the temperature at 20 degrees Centigrade.
 
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@Physgeek64 I confirm your equation. What value did you use for a?
 
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Chestermiller said:
@Physgeek64 I confirm your equation. What value did you use for a?

##0.5 X 10^{-3}##
 
Physgeek64 said:
##0.5 X 10^{-3}##
10{-4}?
 
Physgeek64 said:
##0.5 X 10^{-3}##
Sounds OK overall.
 
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Charles Link said:
-4?
sorry, yes!
 
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Chestermiller said:
Sounds OK overall.
I wonder how I've got the wrong answer then
 
Physgeek64 said:
I wonder how I've got the wrong answer then
You get an answer where ## I \approx 100 \, A ## or more if you use ## \rho=10^{-7} ##. I think ## \rho ## is somewhat larger than that. See also post 2.
 
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If you are not given the values of κ and ρ to use then I am not sure how you are supposed to solve this. From what I read, over the temperature range involved, κ increases from 15 to 30 W/mK, while ρ increases from 7x10-7 to 12x10-7 Ωm.
To take that into account you would need either to use numerical methods or to approximate these temperature dependencies with analytical functions and solve the resulting diffusion equation.
 
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