Heat & Molar Heat: Proving Gains & Losses

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The discussion centers on the thermodynamic principles of heat transfer in ideal gases, specifically analyzing a linear process represented by the equation P=Po-aV. The key points include identifying tangential points of the adiabat and isotherm to determine maximum temperature and heat cancellation. The participant explores the relationship between molar heat and temperature differences across various segments of the process, concluding that molar heat is positive between points 1-i and i-2, while it is negative between points i-a. The participant ultimately resolves their confusion without requiring further explanation.

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  • Understanding of thermodynamics concepts, particularly heat transfer in ideal gases.
  • Familiarity with the equations of state for ideal gases, including P=Po-aV.
  • Knowledge of polytropic processes and the relationship between pressure, volume, and molar heat.
  • Basic grasp of graphical analysis in thermodynamics, including p-v diagrams.
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  • Study the derivation and implications of the equation for polytropic processes: P*V^n=constant.
  • Learn about the significance of the adiabatic index in thermodynamic processes.
  • Explore the concept of molar heat in detail, particularly its calculation and significance in various processes.
  • Investigate graphical methods for analyzing heat transfer in p-v diagrams, focusing on tangential points.
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Hello everyone. I'm new into thermodynamics and I have a question about the gained and lost heat in any type of process of an ideal gass ( linear, non- linear). In the picture below we have a process suffered by a gas in p-v coordinates. The process is linear ( for simplicity) with P=Po-aV; where a and Po are givee constants. The process goes form 1 to 2. If we want to find the points in which the heat cancels and the temperature reaches its maxima, we have to draw the adiabat and isotherm that are tangent to the linear function. The points where they are tangent corespond to the maximal temperature and heat=0 respectively.
Those points are not that hard to find. Let's call the point in which the adiabat is tangent "a" and the point in which the isotherm intersects "i".
Now, I have been reading from several textbooks that between 1-i the difference in temperature is greater than 0 and from i-2 the diffrence in temperature is less than 0. So far so good. Than it was written that between 1-a the heat is gained and between a-2 the heat is lost . Ok. And than I thought that , if the heat between 1-a is gained and heat= (temperature difference) * (number of moles) * ( molar heat) than it means that (molar heat)>0 between 1-i and <0 between i-a. And between i-2 the molar heat has to be again greater than 0. Now this is the part where I don't understand. How can you actually prove that between 1-i and a-2 the molar heat > 0 and that between i-a molar heat < 0 .
Than I had been thinking about polytropic processes in which it can be proven that for a process of form:

P*V^n=constant, than the molar heat ( cosntant) of the polytrope is C=Cv + R/ (1-n) , where C= molar heat, Cv= molar heat at constant volume, R= ideal gas constant, n= polytrope index.

So let's say that all the points that belong to our linear process are the tangency points of some polytropes ( like the isotherm , adiabat) to the linear function of the process. So to every point on our line coresponds a specific molar heat C = Cv + R/ (1-n) where n in the polytropic index of the polytrope that goes trough that point. Now as we ascend in pressure and we descent in volume ( I'm talking about the points on the linear process) we can imagine that the polytropichyperbolas will be less and less steaper , so we can prove that for n<(adiabatic index) than C<0, and for n>(adiavatic index) than C>0.
Now this doesn't corespond to our solution . From the solution we have that between 1-i C>0 , but I get that C<0.
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Where is my mistake , this is driving me crazy.

Thank you
 
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I figured it out , no need of explanation here
 

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