Heat transfer between double window panes

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The discussion revolves around the heat transfer dynamics between double window panes, specifically focusing on the use of low-e glass and aerogel panels in a vertical farm prototype. Participants explore calculations related to heat gain and loss, particularly under specific environmental conditions in Boulder, Colorado.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines their design involving low-e glass and aerogel, seeking to approximate heat loss through the aerogel panel while considering solar heat gain through the glass.
  • Another participant suggests using R insulation values for each layer to estimate heat transfer, recommending to look up the R value for aerogel.
  • A later reply proposes a method to calculate maximum temperature rise by neglecting heat transfer through the aerogel and using a specific formula based on insulated and non-insulated areas.
  • Concerns are raised about the thermal conductivity of aerogel, with one participant suggesting that the expected value might be too high and emphasizing the need to consider infrared radiation emission from the soil.
  • Another participant questions the appropriateness of using aerogel, citing its cost and potential limitations compared to traditional glass options.
  • A resource is provided for contacting a company that specializes in tailoring aerogel properties for specific applications.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness and practicality of using aerogel in the design. There is no consensus on the best approach to calculate heat loss or the suitability of aerogel compared to other materials.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for specific data regarding aerogel's thermal properties and its transparency to infrared radiation, indicating potential limitations in the current understanding of these factors.

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Individuals involved in agricultural engineering, greenhouse design, or those interested in thermal dynamics of building materials may find this discussion relevant.

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I'm designing a vertical farm prototype and I'm trying to do some preliminary calculations to get an idea of how hot my crops are going to get. The basic design consists of a low-e glass (SHGC=.39) in the front and an aerogel panel in back(see attached diagram). I'm calculating for the hottest scenario, south facing glass at noon in July. The design is in Boulder Colorado (Lat~40N) and from what I can tell from tables, I can expect .1233 kWh/(m^2*h) to be gained through the low-e glass during the hottest part of the day. What I'm not sure how to calculate, is how much heat I can expect to loose through the aerogel panel in the back.

Does anyone know of a way to approximate this, or have a link to a site that can point me in the right direction? Can I just treat the aerogel panels like any other insulating material or do I need a SHGC for it? Don't need a high order of accuracy, just trying to approximate max and min temperatures for my cavity.

Thanks!
 

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Yes, you use the R insulation values of each layer and add them up. You can use manufacturer's info for the specific glass. You can google the R value of aerogel.
 
zzinfinity said:
I'm designing a vertical farm prototype and I'm trying to do some preliminary calculations to get an idea of how hot my crops are going to get. The basic design consists of a low-e glass (SHGC=.39) in the front and an aerogel panel in back(see attached diagram). I'm calculating for the hottest scenario, south facing glass at noon in July. The design is in Boulder Colorado (Lat~40N) and from what I can tell from tables, I can expect .1233 kWh/(m^2*h) to be gained through the low-e glass during the hottest part of the day. What I'm not sure how to calculate, is how much heat I can expect to loose through the aerogel panel in the back.

Does anyone know of a way to approximate this, or have a link to a site that can point me in the right direction? Can I just treat the aerogel panels like any other insulating material or do I need a SHGC for it? Don't need a high order of accuracy, just trying to approximate max and min temperatures for my cavity.

Thanks!
You can get absolute maximum limit of temperature rise by just neglecting inside-to-outside heat transfer through the (aerogel-insulated) panels, and using approximation of 20 W/m2 for non-insulated fraction of greenhouse surface area.
For 75% of area been insulated, and 25% not insulated,
you get
(123.3*0.75)/(20*0.25) degrees temperature rise at maximum.
 
Your thermal conductivity value for aerogel seems rather high. I would expect something around 0.03 ##\frac W {m^2K}## but there is more to it.
First, you need to calculate the thermal conductivity to the ground
Next, I suppose you want to use transparent aerogel in order to pass the solar radiation through. That, would mean that there will be certain amount of radiation emitted by your soil in the infrared region. I do not know the aerogel transparency in the infrared. You would have to find that data and incorporate into your calculations.
From what I know, the conductivity aerogels at around ambient temperature is much lower than the energy transfer via radiation. That's why most commonly used aerogel materials have something added to reduce radiative heat transfer. Either white material (to scatter infrared) or black (to absorb it) but for your application you cannot use either.
The SHGC number is no good, it applies only to solar radiation.
I do have a feeling that using aerogel is not a good idea. It is expensive and does not offer your much advantage of having just one pane or double pane glass window (at much lower price). Besides, there is such thing as too hot for the plants.
 
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www.aerogeltechnologies.com

Try contacting those people. Their business is tailoring aerogel properties for special purposes. It was the subject of this recent video

 

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