Heat transfer in an Isothermal process?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of heat transfer in an isothermal process within the context of thermal physics. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the apparent contradiction between the expectation of zero heat transfer (Q) due to constant temperature and the realization that heat transfer occurs in such a process.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to reconcile the formula Q=mcΔT with the conservation of energy principle (ΔU=Q-W) in the context of isothermal processes. Some participants discuss the implications of heat transfer and work done by the gas, while others explore the validity of specific heat capacity in different processes.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's confusion, providing insights into the relationship between heat transfer and work in isothermal processes. There is an indication of productive clarification, with some participants expressing understanding of the concepts discussed.

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There is an exploration of the definitions and implications of specific heat capacities in various processes, as well as the conditions under which heat transfer occurs in isothermal processes. The original poster's inquiry reflects a common point of confusion in thermal physics.

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I have a general concept inquiry. I was doing some thermal homework, and calculating values of Q in a given cycle. One process was isothermal, however it turned out that Q was not zero, causing me to wonder: How can there be a heat transfer in an isothermal process?


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In an isothermal process the temperature does not change. Looking at the formula, Q=mcΔT, if there is no change in temperature, one would therefore find that Q=O. However, if you look at it from conservation of energy, (ΔU=Q-W), the ΔU is zero for an isothermal process, making Q=W, and thereby concluding that there is a heat transfer. Thus I am confused. Could someone please provide some insight into this?
 
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The energy of a given amount of gas is determined solely by its temperature. So if you add heat to it and want to keep its temperature constant, you will have to let the gas do the work equal to the amount of the added heat. That's what Q = W means.
 
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Q=mcΔT is valid with different c-s -specific heat capacity values- in different processes. Remember, c=(1/m)Q/ΔT while an other state-parameter stays constant. For a constant-volume process, it is cv. In case of an isobaric process, it is cp , and it is greater than cv as part of the heat covers the work done by the gas during expansion, according to ΔU=Q-W. . The more isotherm is a process, the more is the part of work. c is not defined for the case ΔT=0. Or you can imagine that it is infinite.

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I see what you are saying; that makes sense to me now. Thank you both for your explanations :)
 

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