Deriving an expression for change in internal energy

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The discussion revolves around deriving an expression for the change in internal energy of an ideal gas undergoing an irreversible expansion from an initial state of 20 atmospheres and 1 litre to a final state of 1 atmosphere and 50 litres, with a temperature change involved.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between internal energy and temperature, referencing equations such as dU=nC_vdT and dU=Q+W. There are attempts to calculate the number of moles and final temperature, as well as considerations of work done during the process.

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Participants are exploring various aspects of the problem, including the implications of temperature changes on internal energy. Some have provided equations relevant to the discussion, while others seek clarification on how to derive the expression for change in internal energy.

Contextual Notes

There is an emphasis on the irreversible nature of the process and the involvement of heat and work, which may affect the assumptions made in deriving the expression.

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Homework Statement
A quantity of ideal gas initially at 20 atmospheres in a volume of 1 litre and a temperature of 300K suddenly expands and comes to equilibrium with a volume of50 litres and a pressure of 1 atmosphere. If the process is irreversible and involves the transfer of heat and work derive an expression for the difference in the internal energy of the gas
Relevant Equations
du=nc_vdt
Homework Statement: A quantity of ideal gas initially at 20 atmospheres in a volume of 1 litre and a temperature of 300K suddenly expands and comes to equilibrium with a volume of50 litres and a pressure of 1 atmosphere. If the process is irreversible and involves the transfer of heat and work derive an expression for the difference in the internal energy of the gas
Homework Equations: du=nc_vdt

I started of by finding the number of moles using this equation : PV=nRT. I found n=0.802.
I then found the final temperature from this equation: (P_1V_1/nRT_1)=(P_2V_2/nRT_2) and by rearanging found T_2=750K.
I have now constructed a pressure versus volume diagram to calculate the work and change in internal energy.
In the first it the volume is conatant so there's no work done so the internal energy is : change in U=Q
In the second bit the process is isothermal therefore the internal energy =0 but there is work done and Q=+.
Im unsure how to derive an expression for this could someone give me a little hint please
 
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How is the internal energy of an ideal gas related to temperature?
 
Chestermiller said:
How is the internal energy of an ideal gas related to temperature?

dU=nC_vdT or dU=Q+W
 
Krisd98 said:
dU=nC_vdT or dU=Q+W
From the first equation, if you know the initial and final temperatures, don't you know the change in internal energy per mole?
 
Chestermiller said:
From the first equation, if you know the initial and final temperatures, don't you know the change in internal energy per mole?

So i would have dU=0.8*5/2*8.314*750-300)
 
Chestermiller said:
Yes. Please use delta’s and not d’s.
 

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