Heat Transfer Rate Calculation: tube, ideal gas, pressure

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the heat transfer rate in a tube through which air, treated as an ideal gas, flows. Participants explore the relationship between mass flow rate, velocity, temperature, and pressure, considering both theoretical and practical aspects of the problem.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about finding the heat transfer rate given the entry conditions of air in a tube, including temperature, pressure, and radius.
  • Another participant suggests using the equation Q = mCp(Delta T) to estimate the heat transfer rate, where m is the mass flow rate, Cp is the specific heat, and Delta T is the temperature difference.
  • A participant points out the absence of mass flow rate data and asks if velocity can be converted to mass flow rate.
  • It is proposed that the mass flow rate can be calculated using the properties of air and volumetric flow rate, with an emphasis on deriving needed values from available data.
  • One participant reiterates the need to determine mass flow rate through standard fluid flow calculations and suggests considering convective heat transfer and conduction through the tube wall.
  • Another participant provides specific values for entering and exit velocities and pressures, indicating a need for breaking the system into sections for analysis.
  • A later reply mentions that if the cross-sectional area is known, velocity can be assumed constant, allowing for direct application of the heat transfer equation without sectioning the tube.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether to break the system into sections for analysis, with some suggesting it is necessary while others argue it may not be required if certain parameters are known. There is no consensus on the best approach to calculate the heat transfer rate.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of deriving missing values and the potential need for numerical solutions in cases of significant pressure drop or heat transfer. The discussion reflects varying assumptions about the flow conditions and the applicability of different equations.

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l have a tube. and air enters the tube at a certain temparature and pressure. the air is threated as an ideal gas. Also, we know the exit pressure of the gas. In additon to those, we know radious of the tube.. How do we find the heat transfer rate.?
 
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There is a simple equation that could get you in the ball park.

Q = mCp(Delta T)

Q is the heat rate in Btu/hr

m is the mass flow rate in lbs/hr. The radius and the delta p (the pressure drop) will give you the velocity in ft/s

Cp is the specific heat of the air in Btu/lb-F. Simply assume that it is constant unless you know that it is changing and that change needs to be accounted for.

Delta T is the temperature difference between the inlet and outlet in F.

Hope that helps.

Thanks
Matt
 
thank u for answering.. in the problem, there is no mass for air. There is just enter velocity of air to the tube. Can we convert from velocity to the mass flow rate.?
 
Look up the equation for a mass flow rate and use the properties of air in that equation to calculate the mass flow rate. If you want to you can calculate a volumetric flow rate and convert that to a mass flow rate.

Always, think, if I am not given the values that I need, how can I derive them from what I have.


Also, "thank u for answering", do not use the instant messenger speak on here. In this forum u is you.

Thanks
Matt
 
bhdrsc said:
l have a tube. and air enters the tube at a certain temparature and pressure. the air is threated as an ideal gas. Also, we know the exit pressure of the gas. In additon to those, we know radious of the tube.. How do we find the heat transfer rate.?
The equation provided by CFDFEAGURU gives the heat transfer rate if you already know the mass flow rate and temperature difference. If you are trying to find those things, then first you need to determine mass flow rate from standard fluid flow calculations (ie: Darcy-Weisbach or equal) and then determine heat transfer from the surroundings by determining convective heat transfer on the OD of the tube, ID of the tube and conduction through the tube wall.

Note that if there is significant pressure drop or heat transfer, you may need to solve numerically by breaking up the tube into sections and determining pressure drop/flow rate/heat transfer in each section.
 
entering velocity 15 m/s and exit velocity 23 m/s. Also entering pressure 1,25 and exit pressure 1. Also, we have 15 *C temperature. Thus, we need to break up system sections, don't we.?
And we can do mass and energy balances??
 
If you have cross sectional area, you might assume velocity is constant across that area and determine mass flow from that. No need to break it up into sections if you have that, just apply the above equation directly.
 

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