Heat Treating ASTM A709 Grade A Steel

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on determining the appropriate temperature and time for heat treating ASTM A709 Grade A steel. Participants explore various aspects of heat treatment, including the specific goals of the treatment, the alloying elements present, and the mechanical properties desired for different applications.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants emphasize the need to clarify the specific goals of the heat treatment, as "heat treating" is considered too general a term.
  • It is suggested that understanding the alloying elements in the steel is crucial, as this information relates to the Isothermal Transformation Diagram, which indicates the phases achieved at various temperature/time combinations.
  • One participant notes that the ASTM A709 specification covers multiple grades of steel, some of which may not be suitable for heat treatment, highlighting the importance of knowing the exact grade and its properties.
  • Questions are raised regarding the specific type of heat treatment being considered, such as annealing, bending, or hardening, and how these relate to the design of the structure (elastic vs. plastic design).
  • Considerations regarding the application of the steel, including whether joints will be bolted or if pre-heating or post-heating of welds will be necessary, are also mentioned.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus, as multiple competing views and considerations regarding the heat treatment of ASTM A709 Grade A steel remain. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the specific requirements and implications of different heat treatment processes.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the need for specific information about the alloying elements and the exact grade of steel, as well as the mechanical properties required for the intended application, which are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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If I know the standard of the steal I have let's say ASTM A709 grade A how do I determine the temperature and time necessary for any heat treatment to be done on it?
 
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Mm22 said:
If I know the standard of the steal I have let's say ASTM A709 grade A how do I determine the temperature and time necessary for any heat treatment to be done on it?
I did a quick Google search on heat treating ASTM grade steel and got good hits. Here is one of the first ones:

https://www.asminternational.org/documents/10192/1849770/ACF180B.pdf

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Mm22 said:
If I know the standard of the steal I have let's say ASTM A709 grade A how do I determine the temperature and time necessary for any heat treatment to be done on it?
"Heat treating" it is too general a term. What do you wish to accomplish with the treatment is the question you need answer. You need to determine what the alloying elements are in the steel, and there will be an associated Isothermal Transformation Diagram for the alloy. It will tell you which phase (phases) you will land in for a certain temperature/time combination. Different phases have different mechanical properties.

Thats about all I remember, but maybe it can be of some use.
 
When I search A709 steel, I get the following hit (among others):

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ASTM A709/A709M-21
An ASTM designation number identifies a unique version of an ASTM standard.
A0709_A0709M-21
A = Ferrous Metals
0709 = assigned sequential number
M = SI units
21 = year of original adoption (or, In the case of revision, the last year of last revision)

Standard Specification for Structural Steel for Bridges

Abstract
This specification covers carbon and high-strength low alloy steel structural shapes, plates and bars, and quenched and tempered alloy steel for structural plates intended for use in bridges.
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The ASTM Specification A709 covers several grades of steel, some of which might not be heat treatable. In order to heat treat steel, you need to know the exact grade, what heat treatments are possible for that grade, the mechanical properties resulting from those heat treatments, and what mechanical properties are needed for your application.

What is your application?
 
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Mm22 said:
... how do I determine the temperature and time necessary for any heat treatment ...
Are you annealing, bending or hardening ?
Is the structure an elastic or plastic design ?
Will you bolt the joints, or pre-heat or post-heat the welds ?
 

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