Heating a ring in a magnetic field

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a ring in a magnetic field, specifically examining the effects of heating on the ring's radius due to thermal expansion and induced currents. The context includes concepts from electromagnetism and thermal physics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to relate the induced electromotive force (emf) to the ring's expansion and the resulting current. They explore the implications of heating on the ring's radius and the forces acting on it. Some participants question the necessity of the heating aspect and suggest simplifying the problem by focusing on the forces involved in the ring's expansion.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding simplifying assumptions, but a clear consensus has not yet emerged.

Contextual Notes

The original poster expresses confusion about the relationship between the retarding force on the ring and its overall motion, indicating potential gaps in the problem setup or assumptions. There is also a note about the nature of the ring and whether it must maintain its shape during expansion.

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Homework Statement


A ring of radius R is kept in the xy plane and a constant uniform magnetic field exists of magnitude B in the -k direction (negative z direction ) . It is heated through a temperature T . If the resistance of the ring is R1find the final radius of the ring. Coefficient of linear expansion : α , mass of ring is m.

Note: this is not a question I picked up from a textbook, but I am confused about the outcome. I ask this question out of curiousity.

Homework Equations


E = -dφ/dt
r = R(1+αΔT) whereΔT is change in temperature.
dF = idl×B where dl here would be the differential length element that is heated.

The Attempt at a Solution


I calculated the magnitude of induced emf , as function of r,
E= B 2πr dr/dt,
I put dr/dt = α dT/dt, where T is absolute temperature
As this question is a conceptual doubt I assumed the absolute temperature T to be a function of t (a linear polynomial, T = at2+ bt +c
So I got the current in the ring as I = 2πR2 B α (2at+b)/R1
I knew that when we pull a straight rod through a magnetic field in a direction perpendicular to the magnetic field a mechanical force acts against the force of our hand equal to ilB where i = Blv/R where r is the resistance of the rod , the mass of the rod given to be m , it attains a terminal velocity which can be calculated by putting, a = ilB/m = dv/dt
So I thought that a retarding force would contract the ring, and when I checked ilB for the ring was radially inwards. Which made me think about the terminal velocity or terminal radius of the ring.
The confusion:
I could calculate the retarding acceleration of only the differential element dl , but how do I relate it to the whole ring . Also finally what equation of motion do i write for this element.
Please tell me if I am thinking in the right direction or if I should stop thinking about this problem if my approach is completely wrong.
 
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You are thinking that you heat the ring, the ring expands, this let's more flux through the ring, which induces a current in the ring and the magnetic force opposes the expansion?
 
Yes.
 
OK - the way to wrap your head around these sorts of things is to get rid of the complications you don't need.
i.e. why is it important that it is heating that causes the expansion - surely you just want to know about the interplay of forces when the loop expands?
Does the loop have t be a ring? Could it be a rectangle?
Does it need to expand uniformly, or could it have two stretchy sides so it can be elongated?
 

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