Heating Sand, Oil, Paraffin, and Salt Water in a Microwave

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the heating of various materials—specifically sand, oil, paraffin, and salt water—using microwaves, as well as the feasibility of transmitting microwaves through a metal conduit or waveguide. The scope includes theoretical considerations, practical applications, and safety concerns regarding microwave technology.

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  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether tightly packed oily sand would heat in a microwave and if the presence of paraffin and salt water would affect heating.
  • Another participant explains that microwaves can travel through a waveguide but warns against modifying microwave ovens due to safety concerns and the need for professional knowledge.
  • A participant seeks clarification on the appropriate cross-section for a waveguide and the definition of "lossy," indicating interest in potential applications in the oil field.
  • Further technical details are provided regarding methods to launch microwaves into a waveguide, including the use of monopole probes and Gunn Diodes, as well as the power levels associated with different methods.
  • Specific waveguide types and their frequency ranges are discussed, highlighting the importance of understanding the characteristics of waveguides for effective microwave transmission.
  • Links to external resources are shared for additional information on waveguides and their applications.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the heating capabilities of microwaves in different materials and the technical aspects of waveguides. There is no consensus on the specifics of waveguide design or the safety of microwave modifications, indicating ongoing debate and uncertainty.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations regarding the safety of microwave modifications and the technical knowledge required to handle high-power microwave equipment. The discussion also highlights the dependence on specific definitions and conditions related to waveguide performance.

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If I tightly packed oily sand in my microwave and turned it on would it heat the sand and oil? If paraffin and salt water were present would it heat everything? Could I send the microwaves to the oven from 1 mile away thru a piece of metal conduit?
 
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Microwaves will travel through a metal tube or 'waveguide' with an appropriate cross section. However, you need to launch the wave into the waveguide in the right way.
I would not advise that you get involved with modifying a microwave oven. There is a dangerous amount of power available (hundreds of Watts!) which can harm the human body.
You would need a professional level of knowledge to design, build and operate microwave equipment with that sort of Power. I will refer this to the Mods because it is a potentially dangerous practice and PF is not into that sort of thing, I'm afraid.
PS There are plenty of experiments that can be done using fairly inexpensive, low power equipment. You could approach the subject that way.
 
At Garyt, as sophiecentaur mentions, we can discuss the physics of microwaves here, but not the modification of microwave ovens (if you are asking this level of question then you do not have the knowledge to safey make modifications).

Microwaves can be routed through a waveguide, which is a tube of the right size. It would certainly be substantially lossy over long distances.
 
In an answer to my orginal question, It was stated that:Microwaves can be routed through a waveguide, which is a tube of the right size. It would certainly be substantially lossy over long distances. What is the correct size and define lossy. I am not modifying a microwave, just wondering if microwaves would work in a certain application in the oil field.

It was also stated that: Microwaves will travel through a metal tube or 'waveguide' with an appropriate cross section. However, you need to launch the wave into the waveguide in the right way. What would the appropriate cross section look like? How big would it be? What is needed to launch microwaves in the correct way?
 
Garyt said:
It was also stated that: Microwaves will travel through a metal tube or 'waveguide' with an appropriate cross section. However, you need to launch the wave into the waveguide in the right way. What would the appropriate cross section look like? How big would it be? What is needed to launch microwaves in the correct way?

One of the most common ways is with a monopole probe element in the waveguide an electrical 1/4 wave length from the closed end of the guide
its good for power levels up to 5 - 10 Watts or so
Another method is mounting a Gunn Diode at that same position instead of a probe ... Gunn Diode oscillators have power levels up to approx. 500mW

For really high power methods 10's to 100's of Watts cavity oscillators such as magnetrons and klystrons are used. These cavity oscillator units are coupled directly to the open end of the waveguide

Waveguides are essentially high pass filters. That is, they have a lower frequency cutoff value
depending on the specific type of WG. there is a whole range of WG's covering freq's from around 1000 MHz to 100+ GHz
for example WR75 is designed to cover the ~ 8 - 11GHz.
whereas WR42 is designed for ~ 18 - 26 GHz and 10 GHz won't pass through it without severe attenuationDave
 
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Garyt said:
It was also stated that: Microwaves will travel through a metal tube or 'waveguide' with an appropriate cross section. However, you need to launch the wave into the waveguide in the right way. What would the appropriate cross section look like? How big would it be? What is needed to launch microwaves in the correct way?

See this link for an overview of waveguides: http://www.navymars.org/national/training/nmo_courses/NMO1/module11/14183_ch1.pdf
Input/output methods are covered starting at the bottom of page 28.
 

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