Heisenberg and wave-particle duality related questions

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The discussion revolves around concepts in modern physics, specifically Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, wave-particle duality, and Schrödinger's equation. The original poster is grappling with a homework problem related to the statistical spread of an electron's position based on its velocity, as well as a question regarding neutron diffraction effects at a specific kinetic energy.

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  • The original poster attempts to connect the statistical spread in velocity to the corresponding spread in position, expressing uncertainty about the relevant variables. They also seek guidance on determining the size of an object necessary to observe neutron diffraction effects. Some participants suggest using the Heisenberg uncertainty principle to relate velocity and momentum.

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Participants are engaging with the original poster's questions, providing links and insights that clarify concepts. There is an exploration of the relationship between music and wave theory, indicating a productive exchange of ideas. However, there is no explicit consensus on the specific problems being discussed.

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The original poster mentions a lack of mathematical background as a challenge in understanding the material, which may influence their approach to the problems. There is also a reference to the need for clarity in understanding the relationship between Planck's constant and the uncertainty principle.

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Hello everyone. I've been reading the forums for a while so decided to register hoping to increase my learning curve in my physics and mathematics classes.

I started back to college last year after a 5 year break since I had quit college. I was previously a music education major, so when I went back to school for physics I was WAY behind (and still am somewhat behind) mathematically.

So in my modern physics class we're covering Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, wave-particle duality, and Schrödinger's equation. Uncertainty principle and wave particle duality I am starting to understand qualitatively. Still working on Schrödinger's equation (my mathematics deficiencies are hurting me on this one).

In doing my homework, I came across a problem that reads:

Supppose that a wave function describing the state of an electron predicted a statistical spread in the velocity of 10^-5m/s. What is the corresponding statistical spread in the position of the electron?

I understand that I'm looking for a point, x, for which the electron will be located relative to the given velocity. But I'm not making the connection on what variables will get me to that point.

I'm sure this is something basic that I'm overcomplicating, but hopefully someone is willing to point me in the right direction.

The other question I could use some guidance on how to approach is: What size object woulld be necessary to observe neutron diffraction effects on a neutron with a kinetic energy of 10MeV? Is there anything in nature that would allow us to demonstrate the wave nature of a neutron with 10MeV kinetic energy?

If I'm missing something blatantly obvious I apologize. Not asking anyone to solve the problems for me, just point me the right way.

Thank you
 
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Recall that velocity and momentum are related, and try getting your estimates with the Heisenberg uncertainty principle:
http://zebu.uoregon.edu/~imamura/208/jan27/hup.html

Apparently quantum mechanics models particles as musical instruments! So it shouldn't be too difficult going from music to physics. Or at least that's what this guy claims: :smile:
http://mitworld.mit.edu/video/253/

Edit: According to Google, electron mass = 9.10938188 × 10-31 kilograms
 
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thanks for the reply. It's funny how reading something worded just a little differently (the link you provide on HUP vs my textbook) can make things more clear.

a lot of the training in music in regards to playing in tune with other instruments or other musicians playing the same instrument can be seen in studying wave theory. Over the 15 years I was involved in music, there were indeed many occassions (almost constantly in the earlier years) where "beats" were created by two instruments playing the "same" tone but being out of tune between themselves. Was neat to see and analyze what causes that to happen in the class/lab.
 
i jus have one question...wat does planks constant have to do with the uncertaint principle...
 

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