Help Explaining Physics of freefall tower

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The discussion revolves around the physics of a free fall drop tower ride, specifically a 250-foot high structure designed to safely decelerate passengers without exceeding 3 g's during braking. Participants are exploring the necessary calculations and kinematic equations relevant to the scenario.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the kinematic equations of motion in a gravitational field and how to calculate velocity as a function of time. There are attempts to set up equations for both the free fall and deceleration phases, with questions about the implications of different acceleration values on the passengers' experience.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the equations needed for the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the setup of the equations for both the fall and braking phases, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or values yet.

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There is uncertainty regarding the mass of the ride car and the initial velocity at the start of the deceleration phase. Participants are also questioning the interpretation of acceleration values and their effects on the passengers.

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I need to explain the physics of a free fall drop tower ride, 250 feet high, car holds 35 people and I'm assuming you would need the mass of the car so help me out there. Also, It is not supposed to exceed 3 g's when braking. It would be awesome if someone could help me out with this, I can try to help you out with anything else needed to do the math.
 
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Are you familiar with the algebraic form of the kinematic equations of motion in a gravitational field?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinematics

For free fall, you can calculate the velocity as a function of time (since you know the acceleration is constant at a = g = 9.8m/s^2). Then you need to do some algebra to see at what time you need to start 3g braking in order to stop at the bottom. Can you show us how you would set up those equations?
 
Hmm, I'm not sure of what you mean by velocity as a function of time but I think I need...

V=v+(9.8)t where V is final and v is initial

I'm assuming the velocity as a function of time would help me fill the voids in the equation
 
That's the correct kinematic equation for the velocity as a function of time in a constant force field (like a gravitational field).

[tex]V = V_0 + a t = V_0 + (9.8 \frac{m}{s^2})[/tex]

If the ride starts at rest at the top, then Vo = 0, right? So this equation let's you figure out what the speed is as the ride falls.

Now write the equation for the stop part. The stop deceleration force on the passengers is supposed to be limited to "3g's", which means what in terms of the force on the ride? Remember, if there is no deceleration, then the people on the ride feel "0g". If there is a "1g" acceleration up and gravity's "1g" acceleration down, the passengers feel no net acceleration and what does their velocity do? If there is a "2g" acceleration up and gravity's "1g" acceleration down, what do the passengers feel? Etc., etc.

So what is the equation for the velocity as a function of time for the deceleration phase? Now can you use some algebra to determine when the deceleration has to start in order to reach V = 0 at the bottom of the ride?

I have to bail for a few hours. Keep on calculating, and others will try to help out.
 
Do I have the right idea for the time of deceleration?

0=9.8+(-29.4)t

That would be for a total of 2 g's, not 3? because I am adding the force of gravity?
 
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auburnfan2015 said:
Do I have the right idea for the time of deceleration?

0=9.8+(-29.4)t

That would be for a total of 2 g's, not 3? because I am adding the force of gravity?

First of all, I doubt the highest velocity before starting to decelerate is 9.8m/s (which is what you seem to be showing in your equation for the deceleration phase). I do think you have the net deceleration correct at 2g, since you will be pushing up with the 3g that the people will feel, and gravity will still be acting down with 1g.

For the deceleration phase, you need to write the same form of the equation that I posted above, with the Vo being the variable that you don't know (that's the fastest that the ride was falling before you started the 3g deceleration).
 

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