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The discussion revolves around finding eigenvalues through polynomial factorization, specifically focusing on a cubic polynomial involving a variable parameter k. Participants are exploring methods to factor the polynomial and identify its roots.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the factorization of a cubic polynomial and the identification of its roots. There are attempts to perform polynomial division and factor numerical coefficients, with some expressing confusion about the process and results.

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Some participants have provided guidance on factoring techniques and have pointed out potential errors in polynomial division. There is an ongoing exploration of different approaches to factor the polynomial, and while some participants have reached conclusions, others continue to seek clarity on the methods used.

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Participants mention the divisibility of coefficients by 7 and the relevance of recognizing patterns in polynomial expressions. There is an emphasis on the need for careful factorization and the challenges associated with polynomial division.

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I think what you've done is correct so far. That polynomial can be factored. Give it a try.
 
i have no idea how to do that..
ex
λ (λ^2 – 21λ + 147k^2) – 343k^3
leaves a variable out
=(
 
There's really no cookbook way of factoring. You just have to futz around with it, look for patterns, and make educated guesses.

If you're going to have any hope of factoring by hand, the root has to divide into 343k3, so the first thing you need to do is find the factors of 343, which turns out to be 73. So now you can write
\lambda^3-21k\lambda^2+147k^2\lambda-(7k)^3=0Can you see or discover anything else?
 
how did you get that as a factor? and how would i use that to find the other factors?
i tried dividing the equation with λ-7k and i got

3-21λ2k+147λk2-343k3) / λ-7k = λ2 + (147λk2-343k3 / λ-7k)
(using polynomial division)

...and that looks more complicated then the original =[
I'm totally off track =/
 
I would suggest you factor all of the numerical coefficients and look for patterns.
 
i know they are all divisible by 7 =/
 
Ush said:
how did you get that as a factor? and how would i use that to find the other factors?
i tried dividing the equation with λ-7k and i got

3-21λ2k+147λk2-343k3) / λ-7k = λ2 + (147λk2-343k3 / λ-7k)
(using polynomial division)
Your division is incorrect. λ - 7k divides the cubic with no remainder, and the resulting polynomial can be easily factored.
Ush said:
...and that looks more complicated then the original =[
I'm totally off track =/
 
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Mark44
I re-did the division, and I got
(λ-7k)(λ2 - 14λk + 49k2)
=(λ-7k)(λ-7k)(λ-7k)

the three eigenvalues are 7k?
 
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You got it!
 
  • #12
thank you everyone! =)
 
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Ush said:
Mark44
I re-did the division, and I got
(λ-7k)(λ2 - 14λk + 49k2)
=(λ-7k)(λ-7k)(λ-7k)

the three eigenvalues are 7k?
Bingo!
 
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Ush said:
i know they are all divisible by 7 =/
Well, you can say a bit more than that. If you fully factor the coefficients, you can see that you can write the polynomial as
\lambda^3 - 3\lambda^2(7k)^1+3\lambda^1(7k)^2-(7k)^3which you hopefully should recognize as the binomial expansion of (\lambda-7k)^3.
 
  • #15
vela, you're a genius =) thank you for showing me that; that's much much much quicker then guessing a factor, and then doing long division. Useful to know for the next test!
 

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