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The discussion revolves around the mathematical derivation of equations related to retarded potentials in electrodynamics, specifically focusing on the gradient of charge density and the gradient of the distance variable used in the context of the Lorenz gauge. The scope includes technical explanations and mathematical reasoning.

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  • Post 1 presents a mathematical expression for the potential and seeks help in deriving specific equations related to the gradient of charge density and the gradient of the distance variable.
  • Post 3 explains the context of the Lorenz gauge and provides the complete forms of the scalar and vector potentials, along with the expressions for the electric and magnetic fields derived from these potentials.
  • Post 3 also details the calculation of the gradient of the distance variable and the retarded time, using Ricci calculus and the chain rule.
  • Post 3 concludes that the gradient of the distance variable results in a unit vector, which is confirmed by the calculations presented.

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This is copy from Griffiths Introduction to Electrodynamics page 424.


V = \frac 1 {4\pi\epsilon_0} \int \frac {\rho_{(\vec r',t_r)}}{ \eta } d \tau \hbox{'} \Rightarrow \; \nabla V = \frac 1 {4\pi\epsilon_0} \int \nabla \left ( \frac {\rho_{(\vec r',t_r)}}{\eta}\right ) d \tau \hbox{'} = \frac 1 {4\pi\epsilon_0} \int \left [ (\nabla \rho) \frac 1 {\eta} + \rho \nabla \left ( \frac 1 { \eta} \right ) \right ] d \tau \hbox{'}

Where \eta = | \vec r - \vec r’|



Please help me in deriving the following equation:

1) \nabla \rho = \dot{\rho} \nabla t_r = -\frac 1 c \dot {\rho} \nabla (\eta)

Where \dot{\rho} = \frac {\partial \rho}{\partial t}



2) Also why is \nabla (\eta) = \hat {(\eta) }

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This is in the Lorenz gauge (older books name it Lorentz gauge, but historically it is more just to name it after the Danish physicist Ludvig Lorenz instead of the Dutch physicist Hendrik A. Lorentz). Then the scalar and the vector potential are both retarded. In the following, I set the speed of light, c=1, to make the formulae easier to read. I also use Heaviside-Lorentz units (i.e., rationalized Gauss units), leading to the more natural settings \epsilon_0=\mu_0=1.

The complete scalar and vector potential reads

V(t,\vec{x})=\int_{\mathbb{R}^3} \dd^3 \vec{x}' \frac{\rho(t-|\vec{x}-\vec{x}'|,\vec{x}')}{4 \pi |\vec{x}-\vec{x}'|},

\vec{A}(t,\vec{x})=\int_{\mathbb{R}^3} \dd^3 \vec{x}' \frac{\vec{j}(t-|\vec{x}-\vec{x}'|,\vec{x}')}{4 \pi |\vec{x}-\vec{x}'|}.

The fields are given by

\vec{E}(t,\vec{x})=-\vec{\nabla} V(t,\vec{x})-\partial_t \vec{A}(t,\vec{x}),

\vec{B}(t,\vec{x})=\vec{\nabla} \times \vec{A}(t,\vec{x}).

To get the fields, you have to do the derivatives of the retarded potentials. This is not difficult but a bit tedious. The easist way is to use the Ricci calculus in Cartesian coordinates. So we define the differential operators

\partial_j=\frac{\partial}{\partial x_j}, \quad \partial_j'=\frac{\partial}{\partial x_j'},

where the indices j \in \{1,2,3\} label the components of vectors. Also in this calculus, the Einstein summation convention is useful, i.e., if an index appears twice, one has to sum over it.

Now it's easy to answer your questions. The retarded time is

t_r=t-|\vec{x}-\vec{x}'|.

Then

\partial_j t_r=-\partial_j|\vec{x}-\vec{x}'|.

Now we have

|\vec{x}-\vec{x}'|=\sqrt{(x_k-x_k')(x_k-x_k')},

and you get the derivative by the chain rule

\partial_j|\vec{x}-\vec{x'}|=\frac{2(x_j-x_j')}{2 \sqrt{(x_k-x_k')(x_k-x_k')}}=\frac{x_j-x_j'}{|\vec{x}-\vec{x}'|}.

Now the gradient is just the vector with the components given by these partial derivatives. Thus, we finally get

\vec{\nabla} \eta=\vec{\nabla} |\vec{x}-\vec{x}'|=\frac{\vec{x}-\vec{x}'}{|\vec{x}-\vec{x}'|}=\hat{\eta} \quad \text{with} \quad \hat{\eta}=\frac{\vec{x}-\vec{x}'}{|\vec{x}-\vec{x}'|}.

This answers your second question. Now back to the first. What's calculated there is \vec{\nabla}\rho(t_r,\vec{x}').

Again we use the Ricci calculus first, and with the chain rule we find indeed

\partial_j \rho(t_r,\vec{x}')=[\partial_t \rho(t,\vec{x}')]_{t=t_r} \partial_j t_r=-\dot{\rho}(t_r,\vec{x}') \hat{\eta}.

Of course, if you set c not to 1, you get an additional 1/c in this expression.
 
Thanks Vanhees71
 

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