Help me through a simple SR problem

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The discussion revolves around a simple special relativity problem involving two events with a time separation but no spatial separation in the laboratory frame. The user struggles with deriving the relationship between space and time separations in a moving rocket frame, specifically aiming to prove that dx'/dt' equals -β. After several attempts and transformations, they realize that the mathematical steps lead to the correct conclusion, confirming that dx'/dt' does indeed equal -β. The user expresses frustration over their initial confusion but ultimately finds clarity with the help of forum members. The conversation highlights the challenges of applying Lorentz transformations and the importance of careful mathematical manipulation in special relativity problems.
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I'm reading Wheeler's spacetime physics and have been doing some newbie SR problems.
I thought up what shouldd be an extremely simple problem but am having trouble with the math, I'm sure one of you guys can probably help me out with it.

Events A and B occur with a time separation in the laboratory frame but no space separation, I thought it'd be easy to prove that in a rocket frame moving with a \beta speed to the right relative to the laboratory frame the space separation divided by the time separation of the events would be -\beta (that is dx'/dt'=-\beta)

dt^2-dx^2 = dt'^2-dx'^2

Since the events occur in the same place in the laboratory frame
dt^2 = dt'^2-dx'^2


After Lorentz transformation
( \frac{dt' + dx'\beta} { \sqrt{1-\beta^2}} )^2 = dt'^2-dx'^2

However, I've been unable to derive this properly, is it just lack of math skills or did I set the equations inproperly? Any help is appreciated.
 
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Your last equation does lead to your desired result. First factor out dt'^2 from both sides of the last equation, and then solve for dx'/dt'.
 
I must suck at this, so far I have
( \frac{dt' + dx'\beta} { \sqrt{1-\beta^2}} )^2 = dt'^2-dx'^2


\frac{(dt' + dx'\beta)^2} {1-\beta^2} = dt'^2-dx'^2


(dt' + dx'\beta)^2 = (dt'^2-dx'^2) (1-\beta^2)


dt'^2 + 2dt'dx'\beta + dx'^2\beta^2 = dt'^2 - dt'^2\beta^2 -dx'^2 +dx'^2\beta^2


2dt'dx'\beta = -dt'^2\beta^2 -dx'^2


dx'^2 + dt'^2\beta^2 + 2dt'dx'\beta = 0


This does not seem to hold up when \frac{dx'}{dt'} = -\beta

Where am I screwing up?
 
I posted this once already and deleted it because I incorrectly thought I had made a mistake, and the forum won't let me post a duplicate, so I had to add this pointless sentence.

adimare said:
Where am I screwing up?

Here:
adimare said:
This does not seem to hold up when \frac{dx'}{dt'} = -\beta
 
dx'^2 + 2dt'dx'\beta + dt'^2\beta^2 = 0

a = dt'\beta

thus
dx'^2 + 2adx' + a^2 = 0

(dx' + a)^2 = 0

dx' + a = 0

dx' = -a

dx' = -dt'\beta

dx'/dt' = -\beta

Thanks everyone, I will proceed and slap myself in the head so you won't have to
 
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