HELP NEED Engine cycle Question

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The discussion revolves around calculating the work done in an engine cycle using both theoretical and graphical methods. Participants are exploring the implications of given data, including pressures, volumes, and temperatures, while also considering thermal efficiency and the appropriate equations for a closed loop cycle.

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  • The original poster presents a problem involving an engine cycle with specific data and asks for confirmation on their approach to calculating work and thermal efficiency.
  • Some participants suggest considering the relationship between work and the area under the curve in a p-v diagram, drawing an analogy to finding distance from a velocity-time graph.
  • There is a question regarding the calculation of internal energy and its dependence on temperature, indicating a need for clarity on how to derive it from the provided data.
  • One participant mentions the use of steam tables and queries about the working fluid in the context of an air standard cycle.
  • Concerns are raised about the accuracy of the p-v diagram drawn by the original poster, pending approval for review.

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Participants have not reached a consensus on the correctness of the original poster's approach or the p-v diagram. Multiple viewpoints on how to calculate work and internal energy remain, indicating unresolved aspects of the discussion.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding specific calculations, particularly for temperature at state 4 and the overall methodology for determining work and thermal efficiency. The discussion reflects a reliance on various assumptions and definitions that have not been fully clarified.

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URGENT HELP NEED ! Engine cycle Question !

Q: Data on an engine cycle is presented.if the gas has a compression/expansion index of 1.4, determine the work done(KJ) in the cycle by theoratical and graphical
means. compare your results.

Given:

Pressure in (Pa)
p1= 1 X 105
p2= 11.764 X 105
p3= 11.764X105
p4=2.207X105


Volume in M3

v1=0.826
v2=0.142
v3=0.25
v4=0.826

T1 (Temperature at state 1) = 293.15 K
Specific heat capacity at constant pressure = 1000 J/KgK
Specific Gas Constant = 287J/KgK

Calculate the Work done and Thermal Efficiency(%) for the Cycle





::: Theratical :::
i drew a p-v diagram as below;

check the attachment

i found T2 = 592.84
T3= 1046.61 K
T4 = 15.6 K

im bit unsure about the T4 calculation

T1 is given as above.

now I am going to find the enthalpy using specific heat constant and temperature at each cycle 1-2 ,2-3,3-4,4-1 to find the work and heat for each process.



QUESTION:

Is this the correct way of solving this or is there any other easy way of solving this problem??
 

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How do you find work from a closed loop cycle? Think about how you'd find distance traveled from a velocity time graph.

Also think about what you've got. PV and its a gas so what equations do you think? Also as this is closed internal energy is important, how do you find internal energy from temperature?
 
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thanks a lot for replying chirsxx.
did u check the p-v diagram i drew for this process ? is that correct?
 
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In steam tables, the working fluid is water. This is an air standard case, so we use...?
I can't check the p-v diagram as the attachment is pending approval.
 

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