Help, Need to calculate braking force? PLEASE HELP

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The discussion revolves around calculating the braking force required to stop a trolley designed for a final year university project. Participants explore the forces involved in stopping the trolley, including the weight of the trolley, the force exerted by a spring, and the frictional forces at play. The context includes both theoretical considerations and practical testing results.

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Main Points Raised

  • The weight of the trolley is stated to be 1687 Newtons, and the force from the spring is 98.1N.
  • Participants discuss the need to calculate the force of friction required to stop the trolley, considering the trolley's speed of 4mph.
  • One participant suggests a torque balance equation (Tpushing - Trolling - Tbrake = 0) to find the braking torque and subsequently the braking force.
  • There is mention of rolling friction acting in the same direction as braking friction, which could affect the calculations.
  • Another participant notes that the force required to push the trolley is about 27N on level ground, which is presented as a resultant force.
  • Clarifications are requested regarding the relationship between pushing force and frictional force, with a focus on understanding the resultant force equation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty about the calculations and the specifics of the braking system. There is no consensus on the exact method to calculate the braking force, and multiple approaches are suggested without resolution.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in their engineering skills and seek further elaboration on the concepts discussed. There is an emphasis on the need for clarity regarding the relationship between pushing force and frictional forces.

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This discussion may be useful for students or individuals working on similar engineering projects, particularly those involving the calculation of forces related to motion and braking systems.

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Hi guys, I am new to this forum, but I am in desperate need of help on something for my Final year university project. I have designed a Trolley and need to calculate some forces.

Does anyone know the formula to calculate the pushing forces required to stop this trolley from moving.

Weight of trolley is 1687 Newtons
the force of the spring pushing the rubber pad 98.1N.
The trolley is traveling around walking pace, 4mph.
Force required to move trolley forward is about 27N on level ground (road)

So currently 98.1N are pushing on the Pneumatic wheel, but I am not sure whether or not this force is strong enough to prevent trolley stopping when in motion.

It is a standard pneumatic wheel, with 50mm wide rubber material. The width of the rubber pad is 50mm x 50mm.

Is is possible to calculate the force of friction required to stop the wheel from spinning. The pneumatic wheel has textured rubber, as does the pad, which probably increases friction.
The pads act on two wheels.

[PLAIN]http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/1829/trolley1.jpg

[PLAIN]http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/2768/trolleyv.jpg

Thanks!
 
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I am not sure if I can help you as I am only familiar with disc and band brakes. This was my thought process on your problem.

But you wheel will have a normal reaction to oppose the weight of the trolley. So there will be an associated rolling friction with that which will act in the same direction as the braking friction.

If you can find the torque needed to make the trolley move at 4mph, you can do a torque balance on the wheel:

Tpushing-Trolling-Tbrake=0, where you can get Tbrake and hence Fbrake.

So you can get the pressure needed to activate the braking system.
 
rock.freak667 said:
I am not sure if I can help you as I am only familiar with disc and band brakes. This was my thought process on your problem.

But you wheel will have a normal reaction to oppose the weight of the trolley. So there will be an associated rolling friction with that which will act in the same direction as the braking friction.

If you can find the torque needed to make the trolley move at 4mph, you can do a torque balance on the wheel:

Tpushing-Trolling-Tbrake=0, where you can get Tbrake and hence Fbrake.

So you can get the pressure needed to activate the braking system.



Hi thanks for you help, I forgot to mention, I carried out some testing, and the force needed to push the trolley was about 27N on level ground (road).
 
a_u_nscopio said:
Hi thanks for you help, I forgot to mention, I carried out some testing, and the force needed to push the trolley was about 27N on level ground (road).

That would be your resultant force. So 27=Fpushing-Frolling friction
 
rock.freak667 said:
That would be your resultant force. So 27=Fpushing-Frolling friction

Again, thanks for your help. I'm still not quite sure, I am a design student, so my engineering skills are quite bad. Could you perhaps elaborate some more? Thanks
 
a_u_nscopio said:
Again, thanks for your help. I'm still not quite sure, I am a design student, so my engineering skills are quite bad. Could you perhaps elaborate some more? Thanks

If you ignore the wheels for the moment, the force you found would be the resultant force. So if you use the equation

Resultant force =Fpushing-Ffriction

and find Fpushing, this will be the total force needed to push.
 

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