Help Needed: Analyzing Limit as x Approaches Positive Infinity

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around evaluating the limit of the expression ln(√x + 5) / ln(x) as x approaches positive infinity. Participants explore various approaches to simplify the expression and analyze its behavior in the limit, including the use of logarithmic properties and L'Hôpital's rule.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the limit expression and expresses difficulty in solving it.
  • Another participant notes the property ln(√x) = 1/2 ln(x) as a potential simplification.
  • A different approach suggests multiplying by (√x - 5)/(√x - 5) to manipulate the expression further.
  • One participant argues that as x becomes large, the +5 in the logarithm becomes insignificant, allowing for the approximation ln(√x + 5) ≈ ln(√x), leading to a limit of 1.
  • Another participant inquires if L'Hôpital's rule is known, suggesting it could be a formal method to evaluate the limit.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the denominator and questions if the limit approaches 0.
  • One participant claims to have calculated the limit as 1/2 and seeks confirmation on the best approach to the problem.
  • Another participant reiterates the insignificance of the +5 in the numerator as x approaches infinity, reinforcing their earlier point.
  • A participant expresses frustration over a potential deletion of their post, indicating a possible issue with the discussion flow.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how to handle the +5 in the logarithm, with some advocating for its neglect in the limit while others question the implications of this approach. There is no consensus on the final evaluation of the limit, and multiple perspectives remain active in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some participants rely on approximations and properties of logarithms without formal proofs, and there is uncertainty regarding the application of L'Hôpital's rule among participants. The discussion reflects varying levels of familiarity with the mathematical concepts involved.

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The problem is

The limit as x approaches pos infinity ln(square root of x + 5) divided by ln(x)

In the numerator only x is under the square root. I'm having trouble getting to this answer. If someone can take a look I would really appreciate it.
 
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remember ln(sqrt(x)) = 1/2 ln(x).
 
well you can multiply by sqr. rt of x -5/ sqr rt of x -5

that leaves you with ln x-25/ x(sqr rt of x + 5)
 
mathwonk's hint intentionally disregarded the 5 within the argument of the log. Intuitively, as x grows large the 5 within the log becomes insignificant and can be ignored. More rigorously, the natural log of (sqrtx + 5) is asymptotic to log (sqrtx), which means that the difference of the two for a given value of x goes to zero as x goes to infinity, basically [tex]\lim_{n\to\infty} \frac{ \ln (\sqrt{x} +5)}{ \ln \sqrt{x}} = 1[/tex].

If you want to take your route, you would need to multiply by the log of (sqrtx - 5) instead.
 
if you need to formally show this do you know l'hopital's rule?
 
no, i don't know that rule yet. But gib, the actual problem has ln(x) in the denomator, not the sqr. rt. So does that make it 0?
 
well on a calculator i come up with 1/2
can someone tell me the best way to go about solving this?
 
I know the denominator doesn't have the sqrt mate, but your missing my point. I am saying, The numerator can be replaced with ln(sqrtx) instead of the whole thing, because of the reasons i said before: the plus 5 becomes insignificant as x goes to infinity! If you just neglected the 5, which you have shown you can do, take mathwonks post into account and take this problem down!
 
.5 got it thanks
 
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Did someone delete my post? ;0
 

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