Help needed doing differentiation (quotient rule)

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The discussion revolves around the differentiation of a double derivative involving a quotient, specifically related to the wave equation. Participants are exploring the application of the quotient rule and addressing challenges in obtaining consistent results.

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  • One participant seeks assistance with the double derivative of a quotient, expressing confusion over the number of terms generated during differentiation.
  • Another participant suggests that careful scrutiny of each step should help in applying the quotient rule effectively.
  • A different participant notes that the differentiation is part of proving the equality of two sides of the wave equation, mentioning that they are obtaining two different answers.
  • One participant provides a specific derivative calculation, assuming that variables x, y, and z are independent of t, and states that the second derivative should not be overly difficult if that assumption holds.
  • The same participant warns that if x, y, and z are functions of t, the differentiation process will be more complex.

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Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the differentiation process, as there are differing opinions on the complexity involved and the assumptions regarding the variables.

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There is uncertainty regarding the independence of variables x, y, and z from t, which affects the difficulty of the differentiation process. Additionally, the presence of multiple answers suggests potential unresolved mathematical steps.

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Hi, can someone help me solve this double derivative please:

[tex]\frac{1}{c}\frac{d^2}{dt^2}\frac{1}{c^2t^2-x^2-y^2-z^2}[/tex] I am assuming you get use the quotient rule but I am getting so many terms I am getting confused... Its in my notes and I am not quite getting it...

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It's a matter of scrutinizing your every step. If you know the quotient rule you should be able to do this with enough time.
 
Its trying to prove that two sides are equal ( this is left hand side of wave equation). I am getting two different answers and assumed it was something to do with this as it was so long...
 
The first derivative of
[tex](c^2t^2- x^2- y^2- z^2)^{1/2}[/tex]
with respect to t (assuming x, y, and z are independent variables and not functions of t) is [tex](1/2)(c^2t^2- x^2- y^2- z^2)^{-1/2}(2c^2t)= c^2t(c^2t^2- x^2- y^2- z^2)^{-1/2}[/tex]
and it is not that difficult to differentiate again.

If x, y, and z are functions of t, yes, that is going to be difficult!
 

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