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The discussion revolves around proving Proposition 5.2.3 from Aigli Papantonopoulou's book, "Algebra: Pure and Applied," which pertains to the properties of simple groups and maximal normal subgroups. Participants are seeking assistance in constructing a formal proof for this proposition, which is situated within the context of group theory.

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  • Peter requests help with proving Proposition 5.2.3 and provides context by mentioning Proposition 5.1.3.
  • One participant outlines a proof involving a maximal normal subgroup $K$ of $G$ and a nontrivial normal subgroup $N$ of $G/K$, leading to the conclusion that $G/K$ is simple.
  • The same participant also discusses the converse, stating that if $G/K$ is simple, then $K$ must be a maximal normal subgroup of $G$.
  • Another participant elaborates on Proposition 5.1.3, describing it as the lattice isomorphism theorem and discusses its implications and examples, including a specific case with the dihedral group $D_4$.
  • This participant emphasizes the relationship between subgroups containing $K$ and the structure of the quotient group, suggesting that the isomorphism theorem has broader implications for $R$-modules and linear transformations.

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There is no consensus on the proof of Proposition 5.2.3, as participants are still exploring the necessary arguments and details. Multiple viewpoints and approaches are presented, particularly regarding the implications of Proposition 5.1.3.

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I need help with the proof of an apparently simple Proposition in Aigli Papantonopoulou's book: Algebra: Pure and Applied.

The proposition in question is Proposition 5.2.3 and reads as follows:View attachment 3320Can someone please help me and provide an explicit and formal proof of this proposition.Since Proposition 5.1.3 is mentioned in the text above I am providing the statement and proof of this proposition as follows:View attachment 3321I would really appreciate some help with the above question.

Peter
 
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Peter said:
I need help with the proof of an apparently simple Proposition in Aigli Papantonopoulou's book: Algebra: Pure and Applied.

The proposition in question is Proposition 5.2.3 and reads as follows:View attachment 3320Can someone please help me and provide an explicit and formal proof of this proposition.Since Proposition 5.1.3 is mentioned in the text above I am providing the statement and proof of this proposition as follows:View attachment 3321I would really appreciate some help with the above question.

Peter

Hi Peter,

Suppose $K$ is a maximal normal subgroup of $G$. Suppose $N$ is a nontrivial normal subgroup of $G/K$. Let $N'$ be the preimage of $N$ under the canonical projection $\pi : G \to G/K$. Then $N'$ is a normal subgroup of $G$ properly containing $K$. Since $K$ is maximal, it cannot be strictly contained in any proper subgroup of $G$. Therefore $N' = G$, and thus $N = G/K$. This shows that $G/K$ is simple.

Conversely, suppose $G/K$ is simple. Let $M$ be any subgroup of $G$ which properly contains $K$. Since $K$ is normal in $G$, it is also normal in $M$, and the quotient $M/K$ is normal in $G/K$. In addition, since $K \neq M$, $M/K$ is nontrivial. Therefore $M/K = G/K$ by simplicity of $G/K$. Hence $M = G$, and consequently $K$ is maximal.
 
Euge said:
Hi Peter,

Suppose $K$ is a maximal normal subgroup of $G$. Suppose $N$ is a nontrivial normal subgroup of $G/K$. Let $N'$ be the preimage of $N$ under the canonical projection $\pi : G \to G/K$. Then $N'$ is a normal subgroup of $G$ properly containing $K$. Since $K$ is maximal, it cannot be strictly contained in any proper subgroup of $G$. Therefore $N' = G$, and thus $N = G/K$. This shows that $G/K$ is simple.

Conversely, suppose $G/K$ is simple. Let $M$ be any subgroup of $G$ which properly contains $K$. Since $K$ is normal in $G$, it is also normal in $M$, and the quotient $M/K$ is normal in $G/K$. In addition, since $K \neq M$, $M/K$ is nontrivial. Therefore $M/K = G/K$ by simplicity of $G/K$. Hence $M = G$, and consequently $K$ is maximal.

Thanks Euge ... working through your post now ...

Peter
 
Proposition 5.1.3 is often called the lattice isomorphism theorem, because it establishes a lattice isomorphism between the subgroups of $G$ that contain $K$ and the subgroups of $\tau(G)$.

In these lattices, the partial order is set-inclusion, the JOIN of two subgroups $A,B$ is:

$\langle A,B\rangle$-the subgroup GENERATED by $A$ and $B$ (this is usually larger that the set-union of the subgroups involved).

and the MEET is: $A \cap B$.

The subgroups containing $K$ are also called "the subgroups over $K$".

It is enlightening to attempt to prove:

$\tau(\langle A,B\rangle) = \langle(\tau(A),\tau(B)\rangle$
$\tau(A \cap B) = \tau(A) \cap \tau(B)$.

Equivalently, one can show that:

$\tau(A) \subseteq \tau(B) \iff A \subseteq B$ (that is, $\tau$ induces an order-preserving map between these two lattices).

Often, it is only established in most group-theory texts that this is merely a bijection.

Rather than prove the lattice isomorphism theorem (it is straight-forward, and is a direct consequence of the Fundamental Isomorphism Theorem), I will illustrate it with an example:

Suppose $G = D_4$, the dihedral group of order 8. Recall that:

$D_4 = \langle r,s: r^4 = s^2 = 1, rs = sr^{-1}\rangle = \{1,r,r^2,r^3,s,sr,sr^2,sr^3\}$.

To specify a homomorphism $\phi: D_4 \to G'$, it suffices to specify $\phi(r)$, and $\phi(s)$, and to verify the relations of $D_4$ still hold.

We will now do so for $\phi:D_4 \to \Bbb Z_2 \times \Bbb Z_2$, by setting:

$\phi(r) = (1,0)$
$\phi(s) = (0,1)$.

Note that $4\phi(r) = 4(1,0) = (1,0) + (1,0) + (1,0) + (1,0) = (0,0) + (0,0) = (0,0)$, and:

$2\phi(s) = 2(0,1) = (0,1) + (0,1) = (0,0)$, while:

$\phi(rs) = \phi(r) + \phi(s) = (1,0) + (0,1) = (1,1) = (0,1) + (-1)(1,0) = \phi(sr^{-1})$.

Thus:

$\phi(1) = (0,0)$
$\phi(r) = (1,0)$
$\phi(r^2) = (0,0)$
$\phi(r^3) = (1,0)$
$\phi(s) = (0,1)$
$\phi(sr) = \phi(s) + \phi(r) = (1,0) + (0,1) = (1,1)$
$\phi(sr^2) = (0,1)$
$\phi(sr^3) = (1,1)$.

Note that $\text{ker }\phi = \{1,r^2\}$, and this is a normal subgroup of $D_4$.

The subgroups of $D_4$ are:

$D_4$
$\langle r \rangle = \{1,r,r^2,r^3\}$
$\langle r,s\rangle = \{1,r,s,sr\}$
$\langle r^2,sr\rangle = \{1,sr,r^2,sr^3\}$
$\langle r^2\rangle = \{1,r^2\}$
$\langle s\rangle = \{1,s\}$
$\langle sr\rangle = \{1,sr\}$
$\langle sr^2\rangle = \{1,sr^2\}$
$\langle sr^3\rangle = \{1,sr^3\}$
$\{1\}$.

Of these, the subgroups "over $\text{ker }\phi$" are:

$D_4$
$\langle r\rangle$
$\langle r^2,s\rangle$
$\langle r^2,sr\rangle$
$\langle r^2\rangle$

and $\phi$ induces the following bijection:

$D_4 \leftrightarrow \Bbb Z_2 \times \Bbb Z_2$
$\langle r\rangle \leftrightarrow \{(0,0),(1,0)\}$
$\langle r^2,s\rangle \leftrightarrow \{(0,0),(0,1)\}$
$\langle r^2,rs\rangle \leftrightarrow \{(0,0),(1,1)\}$
$\langle r^2\rangle \leftrightarrow \{(0,0)\}$

***************************

Why this is important:

This isomorphism theorem generalizes well to $R$-modules, and tells us how much of the internal structure of a module $M$ carries over to to a quotient module $M/N$. For example, If a subspace $U$ of a vector space $V$ properly contains the kernel (null space) of a linear transformation $T$, then $T(U)$ is a non-trivial subspace of $T(V)$. We can often use this to deduce when a system of linear equations has a non-trivial (non-zero) solution.
 

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