Help please -- inverse Laplace transform of 1/(x^2+1)^2

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The discussion revolves around finding the inverse Laplace transform of the function \( \frac{1}{(s^2+1)^2} \). Participants are exploring methods related to convolution and trigonometric identities in the context of Laplace transforms.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the convolution of the inverse transforms of \( \frac{1}{s^2+1} \) and question the setup of their integrals. There are attempts to apply integration by parts and trigonometric identities to simplify the problem.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on using trigonometric difference formulas and clarified the correct order of operations regarding convolution. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, and there is an ongoing exchange of ideas without a clear consensus.

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Participants are required to show effort in their attempts, and there is an emphasis on using proper notation for Laplace transforms. The discussion includes references to forum rules regarding problem-solving approaches.

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Homework Statement



Hi.

I need help to resolve the inverse laplace transform of {1/((x^2)+1)^2}2. The attempt at a solution

I have tried to do:

{(1/((x^2)+1) * (1/((x^2)+1)}

then, convolution, sen x

But, isn't working

Thanks for your help :)
 
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nito18 said:

Homework Statement



Hi.

I need help to resolve the inverse laplace transform of {1/((x^2)+1)^2}


2. The attempt at a solution

I have tried to do:

{(1/((x^2)+1) * (1/((x^2)+1)}

then, convolution, sen x

But, isn't working

Thanks for your help :)

Using usual notation you would use ##s## as the variable in transform space:$$
\mathcal L^{-1}\frac 1 {(s^2+1)^2}$$Forum rules require you to show some effort. So what did you get for$$
\mathcal L^{-1}\frac 1 {s^2+1}\text{?}$$Then show us what your convolution integral looks like and where you are stuck.
 
LCKurtz said:
Using usual notation you would use ##s## as the variable in transform space:$$
\mathcal L^{-1}\frac 1 {(s^2+1)^2}$$Forum rules require you to show some effort. So what did you get for$$
\mathcal L^{-1}\frac 1 {s^2+1}\text{?}$$Then show us what your convolution integral looks like and where you are stuck.

yes, sorry. is:

$$
\mathcal L^{-1}\frac 1 {(s^2+1)^2}$$

so

$$
\mathcal L^{-1}\frac 1 {(s^2+1)} * \frac 1 {(s^2+1) }$$

then

f(τ) = sen τ
g(t-τ) = sen (t-τ)

∫ sen τ * sen (t-τ) dτ

Integration by parts

u= sen (t-τ)
du = -cos(t-τ)

dv= sen τ dτ
v= -cos τ


∫ sen τ * sen (t-τ) dτ = u= -(sen (t-τ) * cos τ) - ∫ cos τ * cos(t-τ)

Integration by parts, again... not working

maybe, another theorem... I don't know
 
use a trig "difference formula": [itex]sin(t- \tau)= sin(t)cos(\tau)- cos(t)sin(\tau)[/itex] so that your integral becomes
[tex]\int sin(\tau)sin(t- \tau) d\tau= \int sin(\tau)[cos(\tau)sin(\tau)- cos(t)sin(\tau)]d\tau[/tex]
[tex]= sin(t)\int sin(\tau)cos(\tau) d\tau- cos(t)\int sin^2(\tau)d\tau[/tex]
 
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nito18 said:
yes, sorry. is:

$$
\mathcal L^{-1}\frac 1 {(s^2+1)^2}$$

so

$$
\mathcal L^{-1}\frac 1 {(s^2+1)} * \frac 1 {(s^2+1) }$$

Since Halls has already responded to your problem, I will just point out that the above isn't what you mean. You take the convolution after the inverse, so you want$$
\mathcal L^{-1}\frac 1 {(s^2+1)} * \mathcal L^{-1}\frac 1 {(s^2+1) }$$
 
HallsofIvy said:
use a trig "difference formula": [itex]sin(t- \tau)= sin(t)cos(\tau)- cos(t)sin(\tau)[/itex] so that your integral becomes
[tex]\int sin(\tau)sin(t- \tau) d\tau= \int sin(\tau)[cos(\tau)sin(\tau)- cos(t)sin(\tau)]d\tau[/tex]
[tex]= sin(t)\int sin(\tau)cos(\tau) d\tau- cos(t)\int sin^2(\tau)d\tau[/tex]

thanks :)
 

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