Help Solve Calculus Project - Economical Can Dimensions

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The discussion revolves around a calculus project involving the design of a 12 oz cylindrical can. Participants are tasked with determining the most economical dimensions for the can, considering material waste from the top and bottom square pieces used in its construction.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the dimensions of the can and the volume constraint, questioning how to minimize the area of metal used while accounting for waste from the square pieces. There is discussion about the implications of the height and diameter on the overall material requirements.

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Some participants have offered insights into the mathematical relationships involved, while others have acknowledged misinterpretations of the problem. The conversation reflects a mix of interpretations and attempts to clarify the requirements for minimizing material usage.

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Participants note that the problem involves specific constraints regarding the volume of the can and the nature of the waste material, which are central to the discussion but not fully resolved.

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I was assined a pop can project in calculus class that contained three parts. I did the first 2 parts with little to no trouble but I really need help on the third because I don't even know where to start. Plz help me as soon as possible!

C.) When a 12 oz can is to be manufactured there is no waste involved in cutting the metal that makes the vertical sides of the can ( why?), but the top and bottom are made from square pieces of metal and the corners of the square are wasted. Find the dimensions of the most economical can ( remember that the square corner pieces are not used but would be part of the materials purchased to make the can.

PLEASE PLEASE HELP ME , I NEED TO FINISH SOON !
 
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I had some trouble interpreting this, but I think all they are looking for is the minimum area of metal needed to make a 12 oz cylindrical can, subject to the fact that the circular ends of diameter d and raduis r require excess material. The total area of metal would be A = pi*d*h + 2d², with the volume being V = h*pi*r²
 
hankjr said:
I was assined a pop can project in calculus class that contained three parts. I did the first 2 parts with little to no trouble but I really need help on the third because I don't even know where to start. Plz help me as soon as possible!

C.) When a 12 oz can is to be manufactured there is no waste involved in cutting the metal that makes the vertical sides of the can ( why?), but the top and bottom are made from square pieces of metal and the corners of the square are wasted. Find the dimensions of the most economical can ( remember that the square corner pieces are not used but would be part of the materials purchased to make the can.

PLEASE PLEASE HELP ME , I NEED TO FINISH SOON !

There is no waste from the vertical sides because that is a rectangle shaped into a cylinder. Let h be the height of the cylinder, x be the length of the sides of the square from which the top and bottom are cut. I hope it is obvious that x should be the diameter of the the top and bottom (otherwise we could first cut a square to that size and then cut the circle). The radius of the top and bottom is x/2 so the volume of the cylinder is [itex]\pi (x/2)^2 h= \frac{\pi}{8}x^2 h= 12[/itex] (12 oz is a volume.) The waste material will be the area of the square minus the area of the circle: [itex]x^2- \pi/4 x^2= (1- \pi/4)x^2[/itex]. You want to minimize that subject to the condition that [itex]\pi (x/2)^2 h= \frac{\pi}{8}x^2 h= 12[/itex].
 
HallsofIvy said:
There is no waste from the vertical sides because that is a rectangle shaped into a cylinder. Let h be the height of the cylinder, x be the length of the sides of the square from which the top and bottom are cut. I hope it is obvious that x should be the diameter of the the top and bottom (otherwise we could first cut a square to that size and then cut the circle). The radius of the top and bottom is x/2 so the volume of the cylinder is [itex]\pi (x/2)^2 h= \frac{\pi}{8}x^2 h= 12[/itex] (12 oz is a volume.) The waste material will be the area of the square minus the area of the circle: [itex]x^2- \pi/4 x^2= (1- \pi/4)x^2[/itex]. You want to minimize that subject to the condition that [itex]\pi (x/2)^2 h= \frac{\pi}{8}x^2 h= 12[/itex].
I think minimizing the waste is not sufficient. x can be made arbitrarily small by making h as big as it needs to be to form a 12 oz can with tiny circles for ends. The total area of metal used to make the can, including the waste, must be minimized.
 
Ah, you are right. I misread the problem. The problem is to minimize [itex]\pi x h+ x^2[/itex] subject to the condition [itex]\frac{\pi}{8}x^2h= 12[/itex].
 

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