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The discussion revolves around solving a non-homogeneous differential equation of the form 4y" + 4y' + y = 3*x*e^x, with initial conditions y(0)=0 and y'(0)=0. The original poster seeks assistance specifically with finding the particular solution.

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  • The original poster attempted the method of constant coefficients and variation of parameters but encountered difficulties. They proposed a particular solution of the form y(p) = A*t*e^t, which they questioned after substitution. They also derived the auxiliary equation and found the homogeneous solution.

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Some participants provided guidance regarding the method of constant coefficients, suggesting that the original poster should include all polynomial terms up to the order of the polynomial in their particular solution. This feedback appears to have been well-received, indicating a productive direction in the discussion.

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The original poster's attempts were constrained by their initial assumptions about the form of the particular solution, which may have limited their progress. The discussion reflects common challenges faced when dealing with non-homogeneous differential equations.

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Hey guys just asking for a bit of help to get me on the right track.

I have the non homogeneous de 4y" + 4y' + y = 3*x*e^x, which also has some inital conditions y(0)=0 and y'(0)=0. but i only need help with getting the particular solution.

Tried method of constant coefficients and it didnt want to work for me.
I end up using: y(p) = A*t*e^t which doent seem right when i substitute in y'(p) and y"(p) into the original equaltion.

Tried method of variation of parameters and i don't think that worked either as in the end i got y(p) = 0.

So far i get the auxilary eq: r^2 + r + 1/4 = 0
=>(r + 1/2) = 0
thus r1 = r2 = -1/2
so y(h) = c1*e^-1/2*t + c2*t*e^-1/2*t

i just need help as to what method i would use to get a the particular solution y(p). from there its gravy :)

thanks in advance
 
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With respect to the method of constant coefficients: usually whenever there's a polynomial involved, you should include terms for all powers up to the order of the polynomial. In your case, you have y = (constant)*(polynomial)*(exponential), but you only included the linear term in your polynomial - you left out the constant term. Go back and try y(x) = A(x+B)e^x.
 
diazona said:
With respect to the method of constant coefficients: usually whenever there's a polynomial involved, you should include terms for all powers up to the order of the polynomial. In your case, you have y = (constant)*(polynomial)*(exponential), but you only included the linear term in your polynomial - you left out the constant term. Go back and try y(x) = A(x+B)e^x.

So obvious now you have pointed that out.

Im all over it like a bad rash now

Thanks heaps
 
:smile: I've made that mistake many times myself... ODEs can be annoyingly tricky.
 

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