Help understand spec sheet for EEPROM IC

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding the data retention specifications of EEPROM ICs, specifically the 28C16 model, in the context of replacing a Dallas Memory Module in older CPU circuits and two-way radios. Participants explore the implications of data retention limits and the reliability of different EEPROM vendors.

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Main Points Raised

  • Andrew questions the meaning of the 10-year data retention specification for the 28C16 EEPROM and its implications for replacing a Dallas Memory Module that relies on an internal battery.
  • One participant asserts that after 10 years, the data is likely to be lost, while suggesting checking other vendors for longer retention claims, such as Thomson SGS's assertion of 40 years.
  • Another participant clarifies that the EEPROM replacement is for a two-way radio, emphasizing the importance of data retention for maintaining functionality in older equipment.
  • A participant explains the mechanism of data retention in EEPROMs, noting that charge leakage can lead to data loss, influenced by environmental factors like heat and radiation.
  • Andrew mentions finding an EEPROM with a 100-year data retention specification as a suitable replacement for the Dallas Memory Module.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the reliability and longevity of EEPROMs compared to Dallas Memory Modules, with some advocating for longer retention options while others highlight the inherent limitations of EEPROM technology.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the specific conditions under which the data retention specifications apply, as well as the potential impact of environmental factors on EEPROM performance.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in retrofitting older electronic devices, particularly those involved in amateur radio or maintaining legacy computer systems, may find this discussion relevant.

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I'm looking to replace a Dallas Memory Module in a CPU circuit with a parallel EEPROM 28C16 IC. I pulled up several spec sheets for a 28C16 and it says that its data retention is 10 years. What exactly does this mean? Does this mean that the data will only be stored for 10 years? The Dallas Memory Module relies on a internal battery that eventually will discharge and my reasoning for replacing with a parallel EEPROM was because of this but if the EEPROM will only last 10 years, it might not be worth the change. Can anyone help me out?

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It means that after 10 years, the data is subject to go 'Poof!'.
I would check different vendors concerning the 28C16. Thomson SGS claims their device can store data for a minimum of 40 years.
Really, why do you want to keep a grizzled old CPU going more than 10 years? Nostalgia?
 
It's actually for a two way radio. I'm a ham, and I have several radio's that were manufactured in the 1980's. There programmable by computer to input the frequency information into the radio. The data is held by a Dallas Memory module and I read a write up online that states that they last about 20 years and then the radio is no longer good. Since it was built in the 1980's I thought I better be getting a EEPROM replacement IC if I want to use my radio's a while longer.
 
If the (lithium) internal battery expires then the supported CMOS memory will forget. It is usually possible to buy a fresh replacement module and reprogram it. Some modules have a connection for an external battery that carries the backup load and so extends the life of the internal battery.

An EEPROM stores data as charge in an insulated gate. If too much charge leaks away, the chip forgets. The charge leakage is increased by heat or ionising radiation. With historical equipment I keep a copy of the original EEPROM data as a rolling archive on my computer system. If and when the old equipment gives a checksum error I can refresh all the charges in the EEPROM by rewriting the archived data to the chip.
 
Thanks for the replies. Mouser has a EEPROM that has around 100 year data store. I'm going to use those for replacements for the Dallas Memory Module's.
 

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