Help understanding the First Fundamental Theorem of Calculus

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The discussion revolves around understanding the First Fundamental Theorem of Calculus, particularly the role of the constant "a" in the definition of the integral and its implications for antiderivatives. Participants explore the conceptual and mathematical aspects of the theorem, including the relevance of the choice of "a" and how it relates to the properties of definite integrals and antiderivatives.

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  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the choice of "a" in the definition of the function related to the First Fundamental Theorem of Calculus, questioning its relevance.
  • Another participant clarifies that "a" can be any point in the domain of the function, and changing "a" results in an additive constant in the antiderivative, which does not affect the derivative.
  • A participant asks if the "a part" corresponds to the constant of integration, to which another participant responds that there is no constant of integration in definite integration.
  • One participant acknowledges that the derivative of F is f, emphasizing that constants do not matter in differentiation, thus reinforcing that the choice of "a" is independent in terms of finding antiderivatives.
  • Another participant reflects on the choice of "a" in the context of the natural logarithm, initially expressing confusion but later indicating understanding regarding why "1" is chosen as the lower limit of integration.
  • A later reply suggests that having "1" as the lower bound of integration provides coherence, linking the natural logarithm to its inverse function, the exponential function.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the independence of the choice of "a" in terms of its effect on the derivative and the nature of antiderivatives. However, there remains some confusion and exploration regarding the implications of this choice and its mathematical justification.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the definitions and implications of the theorem, particularly regarding the integration limits and their impact on the resulting functions. There are unresolved questions about the conceptual understanding of the theorem and its applications.

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The first fundamental theorem of calculus begins by defining a function like this:

http://i.imgur.com/aWXql.png

(sorry was not sure how to write this legibly in this post so I just uploaded on imgur)


I kind of have a hard time wrapping my mind aruond this. How do you chose a? I feel like in the proof for the fundamental theorem, a ends up canceling out and doesn't matter, but it's hard for me to look at this and see and understand that. If F is an antiderivative of f, then you would end up with F(x)-F(a) isn't it? By the second fundamental theorem? I'm so confused every time I look at this. I just don't understand how a is or is not relevant and how this function is defined this way.
 
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fleazo said:
The first fundamental theorem of calculus begins by defining a function like this:

http://i.imgur.com/aWXql.png

(sorry was not sure how to write this legibly in this post so I just uploaded on imgur)


I kind of have a hard time wrapping my mind aruond this. How do you chose a? I feel like in the proof for the fundamental theorem, a ends up canceling out and doesn't matter, but it's hard for me to look at this and see and understand that. If F is an antiderivative of f, then you would end up with F(x)-F(a) isn't it? By the second fundamental theorem? I'm so confused every time I look at this. I just don't understand how a is or is not relevant and how this function is defined this way.

That "a" is any point in the definition domain of f(x), and so is x, and we have thus that f(x) is defined

and Riemann integrable in [a,x], or in [x,a]...what's so strange to you in this?

For example, F(x)=\int^x_a\frac{1}{x}\, dx\,,\,\,a\,,\,x>0\,,\,\, gives us F(x)=\log x-\log a , and choosing a different positive

a changes F only by an additive constant...

DonAntonio
 
So does the "a part" end up being the constant of integration?
 
fleazo said:
The first fundamental theorem of calculus begins by defining a function like this:

http://i.imgur.com/aWXql.png

(sorry was not sure how to write this legibly in this post so I just uploaded on imgur)


I kind of have a hard time wrapping my mind aruond this. How do you chose a? I feel like in the proof for the fundamental theorem, a ends up canceling out and doesn't matter, but it's hard for me to look at this and see and understand that. If F is an antiderivative of f, then you would end up with F(x)-F(a) isn't it? By the second fundamental theorem? I'm so confused every time I look at this. I just don't understand how a is or is not relevant and how this function is defined this way.

The first fundamental theorem only states the derivative of F is f.
And when you differentiate, the constants don't matter, so the fact that F is an antiderivative of f is actually independent from which a you choose. More concretely, and without any mathematical rigor :

\dfrac{d}{dx}\int_b^x f(t)dt = \dfrac{d}{dx}\left(\int_b^a f(t)dt + \int_a^x f(t)dt \right) = \dfrac{d}{dx} \int_a^x f(t)dt = f(x)
 
fleazo said:
So does the "a part" end up being the constant of integration?



The is no constant of integration in definite integration.

DonAntonio
 
ooooooooh sachav thank you, this clears up my main misunderstanding about what the first fundamental theorem is saying. Though I do have one further question. While it makes sense that the derivative of F is f (because the constant goes away during the differentiation), I still have a difficult time undersatnding that way the function defined (in the imgur link in my first post). DonAntonion I think you answered this well, but I think I messed up in my reply when I mentioned constant of integration. What I mean is, can you chose any "a" value (defined in the domain of course) because you end up with F(x)-F(a) and depending then on which a you chose you will get this different associated constant, which would still be an antiderivative of f because that constant will go away in the integration? So for example, if you chose constant a vs. constant b you would end up with two sepearate functions which are both antiderivatives which are different only based on an additive constant. Is that why the choice of a doesn't matter?
 
A possible example of why I am confused:this is a screenshot of the calc book I am reviewing http://i.imgur.com/d8KHi.jpgI guess I have a difficult time for example understanding natural log as defined this way, because I don't understand why 1 has been chosen as a. I guess it makes sense because they are trying to equate the integral to lnx and ln(1)=0. EDIT: Oh wait nevermind I think I understand. Ok. So it makes sense why 1 is the lower limit on integration there. Because say you are looking at x = 2, you end up evaluating ln(2)-ln(1) = ln(2).

sorry if these questions are stupid and basic. I just want to make sure I am understanding all of this thoroughly rather than just memorizing definitions
 
Actually, having 1 as the lower bound of integration makes it more coherent, since it makes it so that ln is the inverse function of the exponential (with another lower bound, its inverse would be the exponential multiplied by the lower bound constant).
 

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