Help understanding why v is negative but moving positively

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving a car's motion in the positive x direction, where the initial velocity is 15 m/s and it slows down to 5 m/s over 5 seconds. The average acceleration is stated as -2 m/s², leading to confusion about how the car can have a positive velocity while experiencing negative acceleration.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between velocity and acceleration, questioning how a positive velocity can coexist with negative acceleration. There are attempts to clarify the calculation of average velocity and the interpretation of signs in the context of motion.

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Some participants have provided insights into the nature of velocity and acceleration, emphasizing that the car's velocity remains positive while its acceleration is negative. Others have pointed out potential misunderstandings regarding the calculation of average velocity and the distinction between velocity values and their changes.

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There is a mention of the need for clarity regarding the conditions under which the average velocity formula applies, as well as the implications of plotting velocity versus time in understanding the motion described.

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In an example in my book, a problem reads that a car is moving in the positive x direction, the initial velocity is 15m/s and it takes 5 seconds to slow down to 5m/s. The example tells me the cars average acceleration is -2m/s^2. Then it says that in this case the acceleration is to the left, in the negative x direction evn though the velocity is pointing right. (I assume they mean instantaneous velocity) Now what I don't understand is how can the velocity be moving in the positive x direction but have a negative magnitude? If v1= 15 and vf=5, then the average v= -10. so if the signs tells us where the direction is, and this says it's negative, why is it moving in the positive x direction?
 
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Frankenstein19 said:

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(This is a photocopy of the page, no real books were defiled in the process of studying :P)

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In an example in my book, a problem reads that a car is moving in the positive x direction, the initial velocity is 15m/s and it takes 5 seconds to slow down to 5m/s. The example tells me the cars average acceleration is -2m/s^2. Then it says that in this case the acceleration is to the left, in the negative x direction evn though the velocity is pointing right. (I assume they mean instantaneous velocity) Now what I don't understand is how can the velocity be moving in the positive x direction but have a negative magnitude? If v1= 15 and vf=5, then the average v= -10. so if the signs tells us where the direction is, and this says it's negative, why is it moving in the positive x direction?
You're getting mixed up here. The car is said to be slowing down, which means that its velocity is decreasing over time. That's what the average acceleration of -2 m/s2 is telling you.

It does not mean the velocity is negative while the car is slowing, only that its magnitude is decreasing but still positive.

You're also not calculating the average velocity correctly. The formula for the average is ##v_{avg} = \frac{v_i + v_f}{2}##
 
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The above formula of average velocity being the arithmetic mean of the initial and final velocities works only if there's constant acceleration or retardation
Otherwise
I would use average velocity=Displacement/Time
 
Frankenstein19 said:

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(This is a photocopy of the page, no real books were defiled in the process of studying :P)

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


In an example in my book, a problem reads that a car is moving in the positive x direction, the initial velocity is 15m/s and it takes 5 seconds to slow down to 5m/s. The example tells me the cars average acceleration is -2m/s^2. Then it says that in this case the acceleration is to the left, in the negative x direction evn though the velocity is pointing right. (I assume they mean instantaneous velocity) Now what I don't understand is how can the velocity be moving in the positive x direction but have a negative magnitude? If v1= 15 and vf=5, then the average v= -10. so if the signs tells us where the direction is, and this says it's negative, why is it moving in the positive x direction?

If you plot a graph of velocity ##v## vs. time ##t##, then whether or not ##v## is positive or negative just depends on whether the graphed point ##(t,v)## lies above or below the ##t##-axis.

The acceleration is the slope of the graph, so if acceleration is > 0 the slope is upward (##v## increases as ##t## increases), while if acceleration is < 0 the slope is downward (##v## decreases as ##t## increases). You seem to be confused between the value on the graph at ##(t,v)## and the slope of the graph at the point ##(t,v)##.
 
Now what I don't understand is how can the velocity be moving in the positive x direction but have a negative magnitude?

It doesn't. It has positive Velocity (its always moving in the + ve x direction), but it has negative acceleration (=deceleration in this case). It slows from +15 to +5m/S.
If v1= 15 and vf=5, then the average v= -10.

Since when has the average of 15 and 5 been -10 ?

Perhaps you mean the change in Velocity? The change is negative which tells you the acceleration is negative but both the initial and final velocities are +ve.
 

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