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The problem involves determining the height of a balcony based on the angles of elevation observed by two individuals, Romeo and Paris, who are positioned 100 meters apart. The context is rooted in 3D trigonometry, specifically dealing with right triangles and the application of trigonometric ratios.

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  • Participants discuss drawing sketches to visualize the problem from different perspectives. There are mentions of using trigonometric relationships to express distances in terms of the height of the balcony. Some participants express uncertainty about how to proceed with the information given, particularly regarding the use of the cosine and sine laws.

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There is ongoing exploration of relationships between the variables involved (height, distances) using trigonometric functions. Some participants have provided specific equations relating height to the distances observed, while others are questioning the adequacy of the information available to solve the problem definitively. Multiple interpretations of the setup are being considered.

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Participants note the absence of exact values for certain distances and the need to express variables in terms of each other. The discussion includes references to a sketch from the textbook, which may not provide all necessary information for resolution.

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From my Math Textbook
Suppose Romeo is serenading Juliet while she is on her balcony. Romeo is facing north and sees the balcony at an angle of elevation of 20 degrees. Paris is observing the situation and is facing west. Paris sees the balcony at an angle of elevation of 18 degrees. Romeo and Paris are 100m apart. Determine height of balcony above the ground.

How do I solve this question?

Attempt:

I was able to find the angles of the top two triangles but I do not know where to go from there. I do not have enough information to use cosine law or sine law in order to find the height of this balcony.
 
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fdajkffk said:
From my Math Textbook
Suppose Romeo is serenading Juliet while she is on her balcony. Romeo is facing north and sees the balcony at an angle of elevation of 20 degrees. Paris is observing the situation and is facing west. Paris sees the balcony at an angle of elevation of 18 degrees. Romeo and Paris are 100m apart. Determine height of balcony above the ground.

How do I solve this question?

Attempt:

I was able to find the angles of the top two triangles but I do not know where to go from there. I do not have enough information to use cosine law or sine law in order to find the height of this balcony.

I would start by drawing a sketch of the situation from 3 views -- [1] from overhead, with North up and East to the right, with the balcony at 0,0, [2] from the south looking north, and [3] from the east facing west. To include the fact that Romeo and Paris are 100m apart, I'd draw a circle of radius 100m on the first sketch...
 
There's a sketch of the situation given to you in the textbook
Basically there are 2 right angle triangles. One regular triangle. The non-right triangle is 100m long. The angles given for the right angle triangles are 18 and 20. That's all that's given to you.
 
See figure. Write the distances r and p in terms of the height of the balcony h and apply Pythagoras' Law.

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http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/837/28940098.jpg I don't have values though.
This is the sketch from the book
 
fdajkffk said:
I don't have values though.

You need the exact values of r and p. What is p in terms of h? and r in terms of h? (Use basic trigonometry, they are right angled triangles!)
 
fdajkffk said:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/837/28940098.jpg I don't have values though.
This is the sketch from the book

You have 3 unknowns (r, p, h), and can write 3 equations. Show us your work...
 
h/p is tan18 degrees = 0.32491...
h/r is tan20 degrees = 0.36397...
r/h is tn70degrees = 2.747...

Rearrange and sub em all together

K I'll try that
 
fdajkffk said:
h/p is tan18 degrees = 0.32491...
h/r is tan20 degrees = 0.36397...

Sub em into each other?

Yep, so from that p = ...? r = ...?

Then use pythagoras theorem for the bottom-most triangle.
 
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I got p=3.12343...
r=2.78783...
These aren't exact values though..
How can I Pythagoras if it's not the actual length?

Answer is like 24 btw
 
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fdajkffk said:
I got p=3.12343...
r=2.78783...
These aren't exact values though..

How did you get that? :confused:

h/p is tan18 degrees = 0.32491...
h/r is tan20 degrees = 0.36397...

If you rearrange the above equations, you'd get them in terms of h..
 
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Infinitum said:
How did you get that? :confused:



If you rearrange the above equations, you'd get them in terms of h..

ptan18=h rtan20=h
r/2.747=h
 
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If you have the exact value k of p/r then you can substitute kr for p in
1002=r2+p2
to get the value of r
 

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