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The discussion revolves around improper integration problems, specifically focusing on the integral of the function \( \int_0^{\infty} x^2 e^{-x^2} dx \) and its relationship to \( \int_0^{\infty} e^{-x^2} dx \). Participants express uncertainty about the integration process and the validity of their approaches, particularly regarding the limits of integration.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the possibility of integrating the given functions and question whether numerical methods are appropriate. There are hints about using integration by parts and L'Hôpital's Rule, with some participants expressing confusion over their results and the correctness of their methods.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing hints and questioning each other's reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding integration techniques, but there is no explicit consensus on the correctness of the approaches taken. Multiple interpretations of the integration process are being explored.

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Some participants mention the potential impact of integration limits and substitutions on the problem, indicating that these aspects are under consideration but not resolved.

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∫(x^2)e^(-x^2)=(1/2)∫(e^(-x^2)

(both integrals are from 0 to ∞)



I don't even know if it's possible to integrate these functions, so it makes me think that what's interesting about the problem is that it only works with this integration limits.

I know improper integration, but don't know if prooving this "numerically" is the right path.

Thanks, I would appreciate any advice
 
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stonecoldgen said:
Show that:

∫(x^2)e^(-x^2)=(1/2)∫(e^(-x^2)

(both integrals are from 0 to ∞)
I don't even know if it's possible to integrate these functions, so it makes me think that what's interesting about the problem is that it only works with this integration limits.

I know improper integration, but don't know if prooving this "numerically" is the right path.

Thanks, I would appreciate any advice

Hint:

[tex]\int_0^{\infty} x^2e^{-x^2}dx = \int_0^{\infty} x.(xe^{-x^2})dx[/tex]

Integrate that by parts (use [itex]u = x, dv = xe^{-x^2}dx[/itex]), then use L'Hopital's Rule to calculate the limit of one of the expressions.
 
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Curious3141 said:
Hint:

[tex]\int_0^{\infty} x^2e^{-x^2}dx = \int_0^{\infty} x.(xe^{-x^2})dx[/tex]

Integrate that by parts (use [itex]u = x, dv = xe^{-x^2}dx[/itex]), then use L'Hopital's Rule to calculate the limit of one of the expressions.

is this correct?

I integrated by pats (differentiating x and integrating x^2e^{-x^2} )

until I got to the point where (e^{-x^2})/2 (evaluated from o to infinity)=0

Using L'Hopital's Rule, I effectively got 0=0




Is this the way?
 
stonecoldgen said:
is this correct?

I integrated by pats (differentiating x and integrating x^2e^{-x^2} )

until I got to the point where (e^{-x^2})/2 (evaluated from o to infinity)=0

Using L'Hopital's Rule, I effectively got 0=0




Is this the way?

No, I think you messed up the integration by parts. You should end up with:

[tex]\int_0^{\infty} x^2e^{-x^2}dx = xe^{-x^2}|_0^{\infty} +\frac{1}{2}\int_0^{\infty}e^{-x^2}dx[/tex]

and the first expression on the RHS vanishes when you take the limit by L' Hopital's.
 
Curious3141 said:
No, I think you messed up the integration by parts. You should end up with:

[tex]\int_0^{\infty} x^2e^{-x^2}dx = xe^{-x^2}|_0^{\infty} +\frac{1}{2}\int_0^{\infty}e^{-x^2}dx[/tex]

and the first expression on the RHS vanishes when you take the limit by L' Hopital's.
It's the same thing (maybe my english isn't that good, I don't know) but Thanks!
 
stonecoldgen said:
It's the same thing (maybe my english isn't that good, I don't know) but Thanks!

How is it the same thing? You said you got "0 = 0" which means nothing. You also said you got [itex]\frac{1}{2}\int_0^{\infty}e^{-x^2}dx = 0[/itex] which is clearly wrong.

Anyway, if you're confident you have the right solution, then it's fine.
 
What about this one? Show:

∫e-x2=∫√(-lny)
(from 0 to ∞) (from 0 to 1)



I tried this one by solving for y in the right side of the equation, getting y=-ex2

However, when checking the solution graphically, it's not right.

So what the hell am I supposed to do? I also wonder if the integration limits changed when expressed in y or x.


Thanks
 
You should do a substitution to change the limits and get the log into play, then integrate by parts. Your previous result might help here.
 
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stonecoldgen said:
What about this one? Show:

∫e-x2=∫√(-lny)
(from 0 to ∞) (from 0 to 1)



I tried this one by solving for y in the right side of the equation, getting y=-ex2

However, when checking the solution graphically, it's not right.

So what the hell am I supposed to do? I also wonder if the integration limits changed when expressed in y or x.


Thanks

Use this (your previous result):

[tex]\int_0^{\infty} x^2e^{-x^2}dx = \frac{1}{2}\int_0^{\infty}e^{-x^2}dx[/tex]

and make the substitution [itex]e^{-x^2} = y[/itex] on the LHS. The result follows very quickly.
 

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