Help with Coherent Wave Questions

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concepts of coherent wave sources and the conditions necessary for the production of beats between two waves. Participants explore definitions, relationships between wave properties, and the implications of coherence and frequency differences.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that coherent sources produce waves of the same frequency, wavelength, and velocity, while noting that amplitude does not need to be the same.
  • Another participant emphasizes that coherence requires the same phase relationship during the coherence time and mentions that wavelength is dependent on frequency and phase velocity.
  • A question is raised regarding the meaning of "same phase relationship" in the context of coherence.
  • There is a discussion about the conditions for producing beats, with one participant stating that for beats to occur, the frequencies must be slightly different, while amplitudes can vary but will affect the minima of the resultant wave.
  • One participant questions whether angular wave number, angular frequency, velocity, and amplitude must be the same for two waves to produce beats, suggesting that they do not need to be identical.
  • Another participant reiterates that if two waves have the same frequency, they will not produce beats, as the phase relationship remains constant at a given point, resulting in a consistent amplitude.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definitions and requirements for coherence and the production of beats. There is no consensus on whether specific wave properties must be identical for beats to occur, indicating ongoing debate and uncertainty.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight dependencies between wave properties, such as the relationship between wavelength and frequency, and the implications of amplitude differences on the resultant wave. The discussion does not resolve these dependencies or assumptions.

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Hi guys. Was studying waves and got a bit confused. Pl help me out.

Coherent sources are those which produce waves of same frequency, wavelength and velocity. Amplitude need not necessarily be same. Am I right?

There's another doubt in my mind...

If two waves produce beats then which of the following quantities are necessarily same for both of them
Angular wave number( and thus wavelength)
Angular frequency ( and thus frequency)
Velocity of wave
Amplitude

Please answer only if 100% sure.
 
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For coherence, they must have the same phase relationship. At least during the coherence time.
The wavelength depends on frequency and phase velocity so it is not an independent quantity.

For beats you need to have slightly different frequencies. Amplitudes can be different but then the minims won't be zero.
 
nasu said:
For coherence, they must have the same phase relationship.
What do you mean by same phase relationship?
Is my notion about coherent waves correct?
 
Yatin said:
Angular wave number( and thus wavelength)
Angular frequency ( and thus frequency)
Velocity of wave
Amplitude
So none of these have to be necessarily same for 2 waves to produce beats?
 
Yatin said:
So none of these have to be necessarily same for 2 waves to produce beats?
You will not get beats of the two waves are of the same frequency and youdo not move the measuring position or sources; the phase relationship of the two waves stay the same at a given point so the resultant is the same amplitude.
 

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