Help with Complex Limit: s, N → ∞

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The discussion revolves around evaluating a complex limit involving logarithmic expressions and sums as \(N\) approaches infinity. Participants explore various approaches to simplify or analyze the limit, which includes both theoretical and mathematical reasoning.

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  • One participant presents a limit involving a complex parameter and seeks insights on its evaluation.
  • Another participant questions whether the problem is homework and clarifies the placement of a term in the expression.
  • A participant confirms that the problem is not homework and specifies that a particular term is outside the sum, indicating an attempt to clarify the structure of the limit.
  • One participant suggests a reformulation of the limit using an integral approach, proposing a new expression for clarity.
  • Another participant discusses the possibility of simplifying the integral by changing variables, suggesting that this could facilitate solving the integral.
  • A later reply asserts that the integral can be solved directly without substitution, but notes that this leads back to the original expression presented in the first post.

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Participants express differing views on the best approach to evaluate the limit, with no consensus reached on a definitive method or solution. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on how to proceed.

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Participants have not fully resolved the assumptions regarding the limit's structure, the treatment of the logarithmic terms, and the implications of the integral transformation. The discussion reflects varying interpretations of the mathematical expressions involved.

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We have the following limit:
\lim _{N\rightarrow \infty}N\log\left(1+\frac{(s\log N)^{2}}{4\pi^{2}} \right )-\sum_{n=1}^{N}\log\left(1+\frac{(s\log n)^{2}}{4\pi^{2}} \right )-N\left(\frac{2\log N}{(\log N)^{2}+\frac{4\pi^{2}}{s^{2}}} \right )

Where
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is a complex parameter.

any thoughts are appreciated
 
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Is this homework?
Is the third large term inside the sum or outside?
Did you use ##N = \sum_{n=1}^N 1## and combine the differences of logs to a log of fractions?
 
this is not a homework
the third term is outside the sum
i tried your suggestion, but wasn't helpful

thanks for the remarks though
 
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the limit is better stated this way, i guess.
2\lim_{N\rightarrow \infty}\sum_{n=1}^{N} \left[\int_{\log n}^{\log N}\frac{x}{x^{2}+\frac{4\pi^{2}}{s^{2}}}dx-\left(\frac{\log N}{(\log N)^{2}+\frac{4\pi^{2}}{s^{2}}} \right ) \right ]
 
If we split up the expression, the last part is not dependent of n and can be moved outside the sum. In the integral, if you put u=sx/2π, you get x=2πu/s and therefore dx=2π/s*du. This will make the integral easier to solve. Just remember to change the integration limits (x = log(n) transforms into u=s*log(n)/2π).
 
The integral is easy to solve (no substitution necessary, the numerator is 1/2 the derivative of the denominator), but then we are back at the expression in post 1.
 

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