Help with EM Fields and Dirac Delta Needed

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding the relationship between electromagnetic fields and the Dirac delta function, particularly in the context of electrostatic potentials generated by point charges. Participants explore the mathematical formulation of these concepts, including the Poisson equation and the implications of charge distributions.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the Poisson equation and the role of the Dirac delta function in describing the potential from a point charge.
  • Another participant clarifies that the Dirac delta function indicates the electrostatic potential associated with a point charge.
  • A question arises regarding the absence of constants q and ε in the equation, leading to a discussion about their cancellation in the context of the Poisson equation.
  • One participant introduces the concept of "sham contraction" related to the divergence of the electric field, expressing confusion about its meaning.
  • Another participant states that the divergence of the electric field is zero in regions where the charge density is zero, referencing Maxwell's equations.
  • A participant reflects on a perceived paradox regarding the divergence of the electric field around a point charge.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the implications of the Dirac delta function and the divergence of the electric field. There is no consensus on the term "sham contraction," and the discussion remains unresolved regarding its significance.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about specific terminology and concepts, indicating potential gaps in understanding related to the mathematical treatment of electrostatics and the behavior of fields around point charges.

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Hi guys.

I play now a bit with EM fields and I have encountered some problems connected with Dirac delta. By coincidence I visited this forum and I thought I could find some help in here.

The problem is that in order to get a potential in some point from a single charge you need to just solve such thing:

[tex] \square \phi = - \frac{ \rho}{\epsilon}[/tex]

and there by the way you need to use such equation:
[tex] <br /> \nabla^2 \frac{ 1}{ | \vec{r} - \vec{r_0} |} = - 4 \pi \delta ( \vec{r} - \vec{r_0})[/tex]

I would appreciate if someone could show me where it comes from :)

PS. Sorry for my mistakes or improper names for some mathematical or physical stuff but I am from Poland :P
 
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The second equation just means that the charge distribution δ(r - r0) has the electrostatic potential 1/4πε0|r - r0| because it satisfies the Poisson equation.
 
Hmm right! I have just realized that thanks to you but still something is not clear for me.

[tex]\rho = q \delta (\vec{r} - \vec{r_0} )[/tex]
right?
So where [tex]q[/tex] and [tex]\epsilon[/tex] are missing in this equation?
 
They cancel out because they're on both sides of the equation:

[tex]\nabla^2 \frac{q}{4\pi\epsilon_{0}|r - r_0|} = -\frac{q\delta(r - r_0)}{\epsilon_0}[/tex]
 
Oh yes! Thank you very much!

One more thing, my professor looking on that equation said something about sham contraction conected with the fact that divergence is zero all around that charge. That was surely connected somehow with Dirac delta, but I do not get it somehow. Do you know something about it?
 
Sham contraction? Hmm.. never heard of it.
 
I am a little bit embarassed as it can be coused by a lingul problem. I meant ofcourse apparent discrepancy connected with the fact that divergence of E field around this single charge is 0, where it is not true. But if just you have not not heard about it as you wrote thanks for all your help :)
 
The divergence of E is always zero in places where charge density is zero. That's one of Maxwell's equations.
 
Oh yes and that's why there is this paradox I think. Thanks again.
 

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