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The discussion revolves around identifying and understanding the mechanics of a toy that resembles a Newton's Cradle but features rolling balls. Participants explore the dynamics of the toy, including momentum transfer and energy loss due to friction and angular momentum.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests the toy functions similarly to a Newton's Cradle, where momentum is transferred from one ball to another upon collision.
  • Another participant notes that the balls are rolling, which introduces angular momentum that is not fully transferred during collisions, affecting the motion.
  • Concerns are raised about energy loss due to friction and angular momentum, which could lead to quicker damping of the oscillations compared to an ideal Newton's Cradle.
  • Some participants propose that the toy may be part of a larger mechanism, such as a bearing for adjustable wind turbine blades.
  • There is a mention of the importance of a clean and level track for optimal performance, although one participant reports that the balls stick together and move as one until they stop.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanics of the toy, particularly regarding the effects of angular momentum and friction. There is no consensus on the precise nature of the toy or its behavior.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the mechanics of rolling versus stationary balls, and the potential impact of friction on the observed behavior of the toy. The exact nature of the toy and its intended function remains unclear.

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i have no idea what's the point of this if u help me i would relay be thank full


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I have never seen one like that but it looks, to me, like a click click click toy, rather like a Newton's Cradle (balls suspended on strings from a frame). You pull one ball up the slope on one side and release it. Because the balls have identical masses, when it hits the other ball, it stops dead and the other one goes off with the same velocity - because the Momentum is transferred from one to the other. There is more friction with this toy than with the Newton's cradle so the movement will die out a bit quicker but it should carry on for a dozen collisions or more before it stops. You need the slot to be clean (polished) for best results and the whole thing should be level, I should think.
 
thanks man i appreciate it ur cool
 
tho surprisingly when i do what u said the balls stick together and move as one until they stop
 
sophiecentaur said:
I have never seen one like that but it looks, to me, like a click click click toy, rather like a Newton's Cradle (balls suspended on strings from a frame). You pull one ball up the slope on one side and release it. Because the balls have identical masses, when it hits the other ball, it stops dead and the other one goes off with the same velocity - because the Momentum is transferred from one to the other.
Unlike in Newton's Cradle these balls are rolling. They have significant angular momentum too, which not transferred fully on collision (and if it was, it would have the wrong direction to make the other ball roll).

It looks like a part of a huge ring shaped ball-bearing. Adjustable wind turbine blades have bearings with balls of about this size.
 
A.T. said:
Unlike in Newton's Cradle these balls are rolling. They have significant angular momentum too, which not transferred fully on collision (and if it was, it would have the wrong direction to make the other ball roll).

It looks like a part of a huge ring shaped ball-bearing. Adjustable wind turbine blades have bearings with balls of about this size.

That track looks like polished wood to me, though.
But yes, the issue with angular momentum would be yet another mechanism for energy loss and slow the oscillations down quicker, though. It would not be hard for someone with the time and inclination to work out the proportion of linear vs angular momentum - which could suggest some ballpark figures for including the rolling. The degree of friction between balls and ball-on-track would affect the details a bit though.
It's definitely not as 'ideal' as Newton's cradle.
 

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