Help with inverse Laplace transforms

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The discussion revolves around the topic of inverse Laplace transforms, specifically focusing on three distinct problems involving algebraic manipulation and partial fraction decomposition.

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  • Participants explore various methods for solving the inverse Laplace transforms, including completing the square and partial fraction decomposition. Questions arise regarding the accuracy of algebraic manipulations and the setup of equations.

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I have three inverse laplace transforms I can't solve, they are,

i)
(s-1)/(s^2 + 8s + 17)

ii)
(s+3)/(s^2 + 4s)

iii)
2/[(s+1)*(s^2 + 1)]

Homework Equations



The laplace transform table,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laplace_transform#Table_of_selected_Laplace_transforms

The Attempt at a Solution

i) I completed the square and got,

(s-1)/(s^2 + 8s + 17)

-->(s-1)/[(s+4)^2 -1]

then split up into, s/[(s+4)^2 -1] and -1/[(s+4)^2 -1]

my answer was e^-4t *cos(t) - e^-4t *sin(t)
but the answer is e^-4t *cos(t) - 5e^-4t *sin(t) , I do not know where the 5 has come from ?ii) I'm not sure where to start on this one

(s+3)/(s^2 + 4s) , I have taken out a factor of 1/s but I am not sure were to go from there.iii) For this one, I'm not having problem with the actual laplace but rather partial fractions, what I have done,

2/[(s+1)*(s^2 + 1)] = A/(s+1) + B/(s^2 + 1)

A(s^2 + 1) + B(s+1) = 2

for s=-1 I found A= 1

but I'm stuck at finding B, how do I make (s^2 + 1) = 0

Thanks a lot in advance !
 
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It should be A/(s+1) + (Bs + c)/(s2 + 1)

Hence

2 = A.(s2 + 1) + (Bs +c).(s + 1)

You can then find all the values using s = -1, 0 and 1.
 
i) I completed the square and got,

(s-1)/(s^2 + 8s + 17)

-->(s-1)/[(s+4)^2 -1]

No, (s+4)^2 - 1 = s^2 + 8s + 16 - 1 = s^2 + 8s + 15, you have 17

ii) I'm not sure where to start on this one

(s+3)/(s^2 + 4s) , I have taken out a factor of 1/s but I am not sure were to go from there

Note that s^2 + 4s = (s+2)^2 - 4. Does that help?

2/[(s+1)*(s^2 + 1)]

Your setup is wrong, s^2 + 1 has no real roots therefore the proper way to try to split it up is to rewrite it as A/(s+1) + (Bs + C)/(s^2 + 1). Work with that.
 
(s-1)/(s^2 + 8s + 17)

-->(s-1)/[(s+4)^2 -1]

then split up into, s/[(s+4)^2 -1] and -1/[(s+4)^2 -1]

1) (s+4)^2 -1 = s^2+8s+16-1 .. but that's not 17?
2) Is s/[(s+4)^2 -1] = sin .. ? You should look at your numerator

NoMoreExams beat me so only look at 2 ..
 
rusty009 said:
iii) For this one, I'm not having problem with the actual laplace but rather partial fractions, what I have done,

2/[(s+1)*(s^2 + 1)] = A/(s+1) + B/(s^2 + 1)

A(s^2 + 1) + B(s+1) = 2

for s=-1 I found A= 1

but I'm stuck at finding B, how do I make (s^2 + 1) = 0

Thanks a lot in advance !

First it is just wrong as NotStine mentioned. Second, you might want to review some partial fractions. You not always make things equal to 0 .. Use linear algebra
 
Also if you ARE allowed to use a table, you can use this: http://www.vibrationdata.com/Laplace.htm

i) (s-1)/(s^2 + 8s + 17) = (s-1)/((s + 4)^2 + 1). By equation 2.27, lambda = -1, alpha = 4, beta = 1. So plugging that in we get e^(-4t)[cos(t) - 5sin(t)]

etc.
 

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