Help with limits of integration

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the limits of integration for a triple integral in spherical polar coordinates, specifically for the region defined by the inequalities involving \(x\), \(y\), and \(z\). The context is related to preparing for an exam and involves evaluating the integral of a function over a specified volume.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Oscar expresses difficulty in determining the limits for \(r\) in the integral, stating he has derived an inequality involving \(r^2 \sin^2(\theta)\) and \(r^2 \cos^2(\theta)\).
  • Another participant suggests that the right side of Oscar's inequality would be correct if he used a factor of 2 and points out that the left side simplifies to \(y \leq x\).
  • Oscar corrects his earlier post, clarifying that he initially omitted squares in the trigonometric functions and questions whether \(\rho^2 = x^2 + y^2 + z^2\) is applicable.
  • A participant clarifies the definitions of \(r\) and \(\rho\) in spherical and cylindrical coordinates, respectively, and encourages Oscar to visualize the shape of the region.
  • Oscar hypothesizes that the shape might be a cylinder and proposes limits of integration as \(\rho \leq z \leq \sqrt{1 - \rho^2}\).
  • Another participant challenges Oscar's assumption about the shape, suggesting he try evaluating the case when \(y = 0\) for further clarity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of the shape defined by the inequalities and the appropriate limits of integration. The discussion remains unresolved as participants explore various perspectives and approaches.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made regarding the shapes and the relationships between the variables. The discussion reflects uncertainty in the application of spherical and cylindrical coordinates and how they relate to the defined region.

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Hi guys,

I've been doing past paper questions for an exam and I've gotten stuck with the limits of an integral. We have to evaluate

\int\int\int _{\Omega} \frac{1}{(1+z)^2} dx dy dz

where \Omega = \left\{ (x, y, z) : x^2 + y^2 \leq z^2 \leq 1 - x^2 - y^2, z \geq 0 \right\}

using spherical polar coordinates. My problem is finding the limits for r (we use r, theta, phi in lectures), all I get is as far as this inequality r^2 sin^2 (\theta) \leq r^2 cos^2 (\theta) \leq 1- r^2 sin^2 (\theta) and I'm unsure how to go on after this.

I'm sure I'm missing something blindingly obvious, and I'll be fine once I know the limits, but would someone please explain how to proceed and find the limits for r?Cheers,
Oscar
 
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Hi Oscar! :smile:
2^Oscar said:
… all I get is as far as this inequality r^2 sin(\theta) \leq r^2 cos(\theta) \leq 1- r^2 sin(\theta)

the right side would be correct if you used 2 :wink:

the left side is just y ≤ x :confused:

the best way to do this is to ask yourself what shape we're talking about …

try putting x^2 + y^2 = \rho^2

now what is the shape? :smile:
 
Sorry about that I missed the squares out on the trig functions. I've corrected them to the inequality I actually got!

Wouldn't \rho^2 = x^2 + y^2 + z^2 though? I tried rearranging the inequality to use that but couldn't get very far. When I sketched the shape it was x^2 + y^2 coming up and then meeting the same curve coming down from one and forming a kind of egg shape...
Thanks for the reply :)
Oscar
 
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We usually use r = √(x2 + y2 + z2) in spherical coordinates, and ρ = √(x2 + y2) in cylindrical coordinates.

Try using ρ here, to see what the shape looks like. :smile:
 
tiny-tim said:
We usually use r = √(x2 + y2 + z2) in spherical coordinates, and ρ = √(x2 + y2) in cylindrical coordinates.

Try using ρ here, to see what the shape looks like. :smile:

Ahh I see, so in the new shape (a cylinder?) we'd have the limits \rho \leq z \leq \sqrt{1 - \rho^2}?
 
2^Oscar said:
… in the new shape (a cylinder?)

No!

Try it with y = 0. :smile:
 

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