Help with linear transformation problem with variables

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The discussion revolves around a linear transformation defined from R3 to R3, specifically the transformation L(x) represented by a matrix. Participants are trying to clarify the nature of the transformation, its input and output dimensions, and how to derive the corresponding matrix representation.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the transformation L(x) and expresses confusion about finding a matrix A such that L(x) = Ax, particularly due to the presence of variables and the non-square nature of the matrix.
  • Another participant points out a potential error in the definition of the transformation, noting that it seems to map a 2-D vector to a 3-D vector, which contradicts the expected behavior of linear transformations.
  • A later reply acknowledges the typo regarding the dimensions and suggests that the transformation should indeed be from R2 to R3.
  • One participant explains the concept of a matrix as a linear transformation and discusses how to derive the transformation matrix by applying L to standard basis vectors and expressing the results as linear combinations of those basis vectors.
  • Another participant suggests an alternative method by evaluating the transformation on the basis vectors (1,0) and (0,1) to form the columns of the transformation matrix.
  • There is a discussion about the need to specify the bases for the transformation and how to apply L to each basis vector to construct the matrix representation.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the correct dimensions of the transformation and whether the initial premise contained a typo. There is no consensus on the final form of the matrix or the exact nature of the transformation, as multiple interpretations are presented.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the assumptions about the input and output dimensions of the transformation, as well as the correct interpretation of the transformation's definition. The discussion reflects a mix of exploratory reasoning and attempts to clarify the mathematical framework involved.

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Let L: R3 -> R3 be L(x)=

<br /> \begin{pmatrix}<br /> x<sub>1</sub>+x<sub>2</sub>\\<br /> x<sub>1</sub>-x<sub>2</sub>\\<br /> 3x<sub>1</sub>+2x<sub>2</sub><br /> \end{pmatrix}<br />

find a matrix A such that L(x)=Ax for all x in R2

From what I understand I need to find the transition matrix from the elementary to L(x). However it is'nt a square matrix and it has variables instead of numbers so it confuses me. Then I should multiply that by something, which I don't know exactly what is...

What should I do to solve this problem?
 
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stonecoldgen said:
Let L: R2 -> R2 be L(x)=

<br /> \begin{pmatrix}<br /> x<sub>1</sub>+x<sub>2</sub>\\<br /> x<sub>1</sub>-x<sub>2</sub>\\<br /> 3x<sub>1</sub>+2x<sub>2</sub><br /> \end{pmatrix}<br />

What should I do to solve this problem?

Before answering, one rather urgent issue is raised: the linear transformation unaffects the condition of the input (e.g. takes a 2-D vector and gives out a 2-D vector)

But then you define the transformation to spit out a vector that has 3-components? I must take that to mean that there is accidental error in the premise where you had rathered L(x) be from R squared to R cubed.
 
sudhirking said:
Before answering, one rather urgent issue is raised: the linear transformation unaffects the condition of the input (e.g. takes a 2-D vector and gives out a 2-D vector)

But then you define the transformation to spit out a vector that has 3-components? I must take that to mean that there is accidental error in the premise where you had rathered L(x) be from R squared to R cubed.

Yeah my bad, sorry for the typo.
 
I do not know what the term matrix means to you, but in brief and for our purposes, a matrix is simply a "linear transformation" which when acting on a vector gives out another vector! The size and shape of the matrix tells you the quality of vectors it takes in and those which it spits out (e.g. a 3x2 matrix takes in 2-D vectors and spits out 3-D vectors). The components of the matrix are to be inferred as the exact processes that alter the input vector so.

This transformation is linear for the reason that when it acts on a sum of vectors, it may superimpose their individual results together, and when acting on a multiple of a vector, is equivalent to acting on the vector and stretching by the same constant.

Somehow we have to exhibit some mechanism, some matrix which when acting on our 2-D vector, with components x1 and x2, gives out a 3-D vector of the specified shape.

This is best done as follows:

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Note in the last step I abused the following fact (one that is to be well understood)- a column vector which when applied by a matrix, reproduces another column vector that takes a linear combination of the columns of the matrix.
 
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While the above technique is the most promising, as it makes reference to no other special theorem by itself, an alternative popular approach is as follows:

ask yourself what does this transformation do on the vector (1,0)?

what does it do to the other basis vector (0,1)?

These form the columns of the transformation matrix! The reason why has intimately to do with the priori the transformation is linear!
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(The first post says "R3 to R3" but sudhirkings quote says "R2[/tex]". I will assume R3 is intended.)

So L maps vector &lt;x_1, x_2, x_3&gt; to &lt;x_1+ x_2, x_1- x_2, 3x_1+ 2x_2&gt; and you want to write it as a 3 by 3 matrix? In order to do this you need to specify the bases so I will assume the basis is the "standard" basis {<1, 0, 0>, <0, 1, 0>, <0, 0, 1>}.

Apply L to each of the basis vectors in order. Write the result as a linear combination of the basis vectors. The coefficients form the columns of the matrix representation.

For example, here, L(<1, 0, 0>)= <1+ 0, 1- 0, 3(1)+ 2(0)>= <1, 1, 3>= 1<1, 0, 0>+ 1<0, 1, 0>+ 3<0, 0, 1> so the first column is \begin{bmatrix}1 \\ 1 \\ 3\end{bmatrix}.
 
HallsofIvy said:
(The first post says "R3 to R3" but sudhirkings quote says "R2[/tex]". I will assume R3 is intended.)


I actually believe the OP made a slight typo again! I believe he wishes the transformation to be from 2-D to 3-D.

Reason I infer this is from the following:

* the initial post posited that the transformation was from 2-D to 2-D (I think in my first post you can see it in the quote).

*The OP goes on to ask what is "L(x) where x is in R^2" or something to the same effect.
 
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