Help with Material Selection Process

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the material selection process for a shaft in a hand winch design. Participants explore the implications of stress, deflection, and potential failure modes related to material properties and structural integrity.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the maximum stress on the shaft due to bending and questions how to choose a material based on this stress.
  • Another participant suggests checking deflection in addition to comparing maximum stress with yield strength.
  • A later reply raises questions about the operational conditions of the shaft, such as rotation and axial forces.
  • One participant clarifies that the shaft does not rotate and describes the specific application involving a hand winch with an activated brake.
  • Another participant warns about the potential for failure due to external compression on the drum, emphasizing the need for a hollow tube design and questioning the required wall thickness.
  • One participant shares insights from a disassembled winch, noting the presence of a second hollow tube and a bolt for structural integrity.
  • Concerns are raised about whether external compression would significantly impact the design, with one participant asserting it is more significant than deflection.
  • Participants discuss the calculation of compressive forces based on rope tension and the number of turns on the drum, with a focus on how these forces contribute to hoop stress.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the significance of external compression versus deflection, and there is no consensus on the extent of the impact of these forces on the design. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific material selection criteria and the implications of the calculated forces.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully explored the assumptions related to material properties, loading conditions, and the specific design constraints of the winch. The discussion includes various calculations and considerations that may depend on additional context or definitions.

chessguy103
Messages
13
Reaction score
3
Hi all,

I'm working on designing a device, and I'm having trouble with material selection for a shaft, modeled below.
1618602281239.png

I have found the maximum stress due to bending on the shaft in question by using

σ_max = (M_max*y)/I

where σ is stress, M is bending moment, y is distance from the neutral axis (aka radius of shaft), and I is polar moment of interia.

I got σ = 31.2 MPa. This is where I'm stuck. Now that I have this stress, how do I choose a material? Do I just look at yield strength?

Any help is appreciated. Thanks :)
 
Engineering news on Phys.org
You should also check the deflection. But generally yes, compare the maximum stress with yield strength.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: chessguy103
Thank you.

And once I find the deflection, what do I do with that value?
 
chessguy103 said:
And once I find the deflection, what do I do with that value?
Does the shaft rotate? At what RPM?
Is the shaft subject to axial forces?
 
In the scenario I'm looking at, no it doesn't rotate. I'm trying to model a hand winch with a force applied through the rope, but with the brake activated so that no parts are moving.
 
chessguy103 said:
I'm trying to model a hand winch with a force applied through the rope, but with the brake activated so that no parts are moving.
Warning. There is a hidden trap here.
To prevent damage to the (wire?) rope, the shaft = drum = spool must have a large radius. It will therefore be fabricated from a hollow tube. How thick must the tube wall be? The tension in the rope, multiplied by the maximum number of turns will provide an external hoop compressive force to the drum. That will cause the drum to fail through external compression, long before the shaft deflects.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: chessguy103
I’m modeling my winch based on a winch that I bought and disassembled. It had a hollow drum, but inside the hollow drum was another hollow tube to allow for spinning. Inside the second hollow tube there was a bolt that went through the tube (and therefore the drum), and held everything together against the shell.

The compression force makes sense, and i should add that to the model. But would failure through external compression be that much of an issue in this case?
 
chessguy103 said:
But would failure through external compression be that much of an issue in this case?
It is n times more significant than the deflection; where n is the number of turns posible on the drum.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: chessguy103
Also, let’s say tension on the rope is 1000 N. If the total number of turns on the drum is 20, then the compressive force is 20000 N? I assume that would be applied as a uniform distributed load across the surface area of the drum, in addition to the 1000 point load tension?
 
  • #10
20 turns at 1000 N tension will be 20 kN as a hoop stress around the outer surface of the drum. The drum section is under that hoop compression, as if an external pressure was being applied to the drum surface.

FYI: https://www.irjet.net/archives/V6/i4/IRJET-V6I4746.pdf
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: chessguy103

Similar threads

Replies
2
Views
3K
Replies
3
Views
2K
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 16 ·
Replies
16
Views
3K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K