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The discussion revolves around finding a function f for which a specific mathematical assertion about limits does not hold. The assertion involves the relationship between the distances |f(x)-l| and |x-a| under certain conditions.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore various functions, including linear functions and polynomial functions, to determine if they can provide a counterexample to the assertion. Questions arise about the behavior of delta and epsilon in relation to the chosen functions.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of different function types, with some participants suggesting specific functions and questioning their suitability. The discussion reflects a mix of ideas and interpretations without a clear consensus on a definitive example.

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Participants are considering the implications of the assertion and the conditions under which it may fail, including the behavior of delta in relation to epsilon as they change. There is also mention of specific values and conditions that may affect the outcome.

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Homework Statement



Give an example of a function f for which the following assertion is false:

If [tex]|f(x)-l|<\epsilon[/tex] when [tex]0<|x-a|<\delta[/tex], then [tex]|f(x)-l|<\epsilon/2[/tex], when [tex]0<|x-a|<\delta/2[/tex]

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I am really not quite sure what I am looking for here. I think i want a function for which [tex]\delta[/tex] gets smaller much more quickly than epsilon does, any input as to what I am actually looking for would be great.
 
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Since the problem only asks for "an example", I would go for the simplest. And it looks like a linear function, f(x)= mx+ b, should work. Draw an arbitrary straight line on an xy coordinate system, draw a rectangle at a point on that line, so the line is its diagonal, with [itex]\delta[/itex] as the length of the horizontal side and [itex]\epsilon[/itex] as the length of the vertical side. Now, imagine making [itex]\epsilon[/itex] smaller. How does [itex]\delta[/itex] change? What does the slope have to be so that [itex]\delta[/itex] decreases faster than [itex]\epsilon[/itex]?
 
If i let b =1, and if m < 1, then [tex]\delta[/tex] gets smaller more quickly than [tex]\epsilon[/tex]. Is f(x) = 0.25x + 1 a suitable answer to this question?
 
I may have answered too quickly and lead you astray. Yes, if m< 1, [itex]\delta[/itex] gets smaller more quickly than [itex]\epsilon[/itex]- but [itex]\delta[/itex] will reach half its original size exactly when [itex]\epsilon[/itex] reaches half its original size- so linear equations will not work here. Okay, then, what about y= x2? Take (0,0) as your initial point and [itex]\epsilon= 1[/itex]. What does [itex]\delta[/itex] have to be? Now take [itex]\epsilon= 1/2[/itex]. What does [itex]\delta[/itex] have to be.
 
[tex]\delta[/tex] has to be sqrt(2), which is still greater than [tex]\delta/2[/tex]. Further investigation revealed that this seemed to be the case for x^3 etc too. I tried it with 1/(x^2), as a=1, l=1, that seemed to work quite nicely. Is this a useful candidate?
 
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