Help with Retarding Force Homework Statement

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a homework problem involving a pile-driver, where participants explore the calculation of the retarding force exerted by the ground on the combined mass of a hammer and a pile after a collision. The scope includes concepts of potential energy, momentum conservation, and collision types.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • The initial potential energy of the hammer is calculated using PE = Mgh, resulting in 49050 Joules.
  • The velocity of the hammer just before impact is derived using V^2 = 2gh, yielding approximately 9.9 m/s.
  • Some participants inquire about the nature of the collision, suggesting it may be elastic or inelastic, and question whether the hammer and pile move together after impact.
  • One participant suggests using conservation of momentum to find the initial speed of the combined mass after the collision, noting that kinetic energy is not conserved in inelastic collisions.
  • Participants emphasize the importance of stating assumptions and drawing diagrams to clarify the forces involved in the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the type of collision (elastic vs. inelastic) or the method to calculate the retarding force, as participants express differing views on the conservation principles applicable to the scenario.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully explored the implications of their assumptions regarding the collision type and the subsequent motion of the hammer and pile. The discussion lacks clarity on how to approach the calculation of the retarding force after the pile is driven into the ground.

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Homework Statement


I need help with the following question:

A pile-driver has a hammer mass of 1000 kg which is dropped onto a pile from a height of 5 meters. The pile is driven 0.5 meters into the ground. The pile has a mass of 500 kg. Calculate the retarding force exerted by the ground on the combined mass of the pile and hammer.

Thanks,

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The Attempt at a Solution


So far i have this, this is for the hammer hitting the pile:

PE = Mgh

M = 1000Kg

g = 9.81 m/s

h = 5 meters

1000 x 9.81 x 5 = 49050 Joules

V^2 = 2gh

Square root of 2 x 9.81 x 5 = 9.9 m/s^1

Velocity = 9.9 m/s^1

But i am now stuck. How do i work out the pile going 0.5 meters into the ground. And the retarding force?
Can anyone help please?
 
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Have you learned about elastic and inelastic collisions? What do you know about the collision? What is conserved in the collision? Do the pile and the hammer move together as the pile drives into the ground?
 
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scottdave said:
Have you learned about elastic and inelastic collisions? What do you know about the collision? What is conserved in the collision? Do the pile and the hammer move together as the pile drives into the ground?

Hello,
Thanks for the reply.
I have not learned about the things you have mentioned. Yes i guess the pile and the hammer move in the ground together.
 
They may be closer to an Elastic Collision, which would have some "bounce". You may want to read up on this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elastic_collision

If they move into the ground together, you can use Conservation of Momentum to determine the initial speed at which they move. Kinetic Energy will not be conserved (note that Energy is always conserved, but it may not all remain as Kinetic).

Whichever way you solve, put your assumptions in your solution. Draw a diagram to show what forces are acting on the objects.
 

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