Hermitian conjugate of a Hermitian Conjugate

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The discussion revolves around the properties of Hermitian operators and their Hermitian conjugates, specifically focusing on the relationship between an operator and its Hermitian conjugate. Participants explore how to prove that the Hermitian conjugate of a Hermitian conjugate returns the original operator, while also addressing the implications of operator domains.

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  • One participant states that for a Hermitian operator A, the relation (A†)† = A holds and seeks a starting point for proof using integrals.
  • Another participant provides definitions and equations related to Hermitian conjugates, emphasizing the importance of inner products and the properties of adjoint operators.
  • A different participant challenges the initial claim, arguing that the relationship may not hold without additional conditions regarding the domains of the operators involved.
  • This participant notes that while A being Hermitian implies certain properties, the domains of A and its adjoint A† can differ, which affects the validity of the claim.

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Participants express differing views on the validity of the statement regarding Hermitian operators and their conjugates. There is no consensus, as some support the claim while others challenge it based on domain considerations.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight that the relationship between an operator and its Hermitian conjugate may depend on the domains of the operators, indicating that additional assumptions are necessary for the claim to hold universally.

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I know that (A\mp )\mp =A . Where A is an Hermitian operator How does one go about proving this through the standard integral to find Hermitian adjoint operators?

I should mention, I don't want anyone to just flat out show me step by step how to do it. I'd just like a solid starting place.

\int (A\mp \psi*) \varphi dx = \int (\psi*)A\varphi dx
 
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teaJ said:
I know that (A\mp )\mp =A . Where A is an Hermitian operator How does one go about proving this through the standard integral to find Hermitian adjoint operators?

I should mention, I don't want anyone to just flat out show me step by step how to do it. I'd just like a solid starting place.

\int (A\mp \psi*) \varphi dx = \int (\psi*)A\varphi dx

I prefer \dagger for Hermitian conjugate. Anyway...

Writing \langle \psi|\phi \rangle for \int \psi^* \phi dx, we have the definition of A^\dagger:

Equation 1: \langle A^\dagger \psi | \phi \rangle = \langle \psi | A \phi \rangle

But we also have a fact about inner products:

Equation 2: \langle X | Y \rangle^* = \langle Y | X \rangle.

Now, apply equation 2 to both sides of equation 1 to get another fact about Hermitian conjugates.
 
teaJ said:
I know that (A\mp )\mp =A . Where A is an Hermitian operator
That's not true. An operator is hermitian or synonymously symetric, if ##\langle A^\dagger \phi|\psi\rangle =\langle \phi| A\psi \rangle ## for ## \phi,\; \psi \in \mathcal{D}(A)##. However, the domain of ##A^\dagger ## may be larger than that of A, ##\mathcal{D}(A)\subset \mathcal{D}(A^\dagger)## and then also ##\mathcal{D}(A)\subset \mathcal{D}(A^{\dagger \dagger})##. However if A is self adjoint, i.e. if additionally ##\mathcal{D}(A)=\mathcal{D}(A^\dagger)## then also ##\mathcal{D}(A)=\mathcal{D}(A^{\dagger \dagger})##.
 

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