Hi, i'm not sure how to prove this about buoyance

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In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of buoyancy and how to prove that F=1000*9.8*3*15 is the difference between the upward and downward forces. The participants discuss various formulas and definitions related to buoyancy, including the weight of the displaced fluid and the difference in pressure between the top and bottom surfaces. The conversation also touches on the challenges of taking distant courses.
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Hi, I'm not sure how to prove this
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/5367/buoyancyq0wn.jpg

I tried developing a bit but I'm stuck, can anyone point me in the right direction please

thanks
 
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See I've understand that
F=1000*9.8*3*15
F=441000N

But how do I prove that this is the difference between the upward and downward force?
 
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Well, this is the difference between the upward and the downward force.
You have to show that this is the same as the buoyant force.

Hmm. What is your definition of buoyant force ?
 
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the weight of the liquid displaced
 
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That's right, but from your attachment you wrote,

[tex]\Delta P = \rho g \Delta h[/tex]

which looks like you are caculating the force due to the pressure difference.

Have you actually calculated this force ?
 
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I'm not exactly sure which force you're talking about. I found this formula in my textbook. I scanned the formulas we have for buoyancy, I got it from the one on the right of this page
http://img474.imageshack.us/img474/641/buoyancy1rq.jpg

We have another formula as well which is not on that page.
Fb = F2 - F1
F2 = upward force applied on the lower surface
F1 = downward force applied to the upper surface

But that's all I've got :s
 
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OK.
I can't see the bit on the right very well.

I'll post a few bits to clear things up.
However I'm half-way through my lunch at the moment and my wife wants my attention, so I may be a few minutes gettting back.

Ciao.
 
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The buoyant force, call it BF, is equal to the weight of the fluid displaced.

[tex]BF = \rho gV[/tex]

where V is the volume of fluid displaced.

When a body is completely immersed in a fluid, as shown in your original problem, then the difference in pressure between the top and bottom faces is given as follows,

[tex]P_0 = \mbox{ pressure on upper surface}[/tex]
[tex]P_1 = \mbox{ pressure on lower surface}[/tex]

[tex]P_0 = \rho g h_0[/tex]
[tex]P_1 = \rho g h_1[/tex]

[tex]\Delta P = \rho g \Delta h[/tex]

[tex]\mbox{where } \Delta h \mbox{ is the difference in height between the top and bottom surfaces.}[/tex]

The upward force due to this difference in pressure is,

[tex]F = \Delta P A[/tex]
[tex]F = \rho g \Delta h A[/tex]
[tex]F = \rho gV[/tex]

[tex]\mbox{since } \Delta h A \mbox{ is just the volume of displaced fluid.}[/tex]

So, the force, F, due to the difference in pressures, is equal to the buoyant force, giving

[tex]BF = \rho gV = F = \rho g \Delta h A[/tex]
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I managed to see that bit on the right hand side of the page.

That formula,

ΔP = ρgΔh

is for the difference in pressure and gives the upward force as,

F = ΔP*A = ρgΔh*A

Now, this is equal to the buoyant force, but the buoyant force is defined as the weight of the fluid displaced. i.e.

BF = ρgV - by definition
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Thanks Fermat, forgive the weird question, I've got a book full of them. Tip to anyone who reads this: "never choose to take distant courses when you can take them at school"
 

1. How does buoyancy work?

Buoyancy is the upward force exerted by a fluid on an object that is partially or fully submerged in it. This force is equal to the weight of the fluid that the object displaces.

2. What is Archimedes' principle and how does it relate to buoyancy?

Archimedes' principle states that the buoyant force on an object in a fluid is equal to the weight of the fluid that the object displaces. This principle explains why objects float or sink in a fluid.

3. How can I calculate the buoyant force on an object?

The buoyant force can be calculated by multiplying the density of the fluid by the volume of the displaced fluid and the acceleration due to gravity. This can be represented by the equation Fb = ρVg, where ρ is the density of the fluid, V is the volume of the displaced fluid, and g is the acceleration due to gravity.

4. What factors affect buoyancy?

The buoyant force on an object is affected by the density of the fluid, the volume of the displaced fluid, and the acceleration due to gravity. Additionally, the shape and mass distribution of the object can also affect its buoyancy.

5. How does buoyancy apply to different objects and substances?

Buoyancy applies to all objects and substances that are submerged in a fluid. However, the amount of buoyant force experienced by an object depends on its density relative to the density of the fluid. Objects with a lower density than the fluid will float, while objects with a higher density will sink.

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