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The discussion revolves around the nature of the Higgs boson and its relationship with mass and charge in particle physics. Participants explore concepts related to the Higgs field, the imparting of mass to particles, and the nature of charge and other properties of particles. The conversation includes both theoretical and conceptual inquiries.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether the Higgs boson loses mass or energy when imparting mass to other particles, suggesting it might transform into a different particle.
  • There is a repeated inquiry about what imparts charge to charged particles, with some participants expressing confusion about the relationship between mass and charge.
  • One participant notes that the charge of particles did not break the symmetry of the Standard Model, unlike mass, and calls for clarification from someone knowledgeable in particle physics.
  • Participants discuss the distinction between the Higgs boson and the Higgs field, with some expressing confusion about their relationship and the explanations provided in external videos.
  • There is a suggestion that a particle is an excited state of a field, leading to the idea that the Higgs particle may be the Higgs field in a local state of excitement.

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Participants express various viewpoints and questions regarding the Higgs boson, mass, and charge, indicating that there is no consensus on these topics. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain throughout the discussion.

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Some participants reference external sources and videos for explanations, which may introduce additional assumptions or interpretations that are not universally accepted. The discussion includes unresolved questions about the nature of charge and the distinctions between particles and fields.

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If the Higgs boson imparts mass to other particles, does it not itself lose mass and energy in the process? As it does its thing, could not the Higgs than transform itself to a different particle, one that may have already been seen, perhaps down to a point particle with no mass?
 
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RJ Emery said:
If the Higgs boson imparts mass to other particles …

the higgs field imparts mass to other particles :wink:

btw, can anyone tell me …

what imparts charge to charged particles?? :confused:
 
tiny-tim said:
what imparts charge to charged particles?? :confused:[/INDENT]

Good question, along with: what imparts spin,... any property to particles?
I think the key here is that charge of the particles didn't break the symmetry of the SM as masses did. But someone who actually know about particle physics should clarify it.
 
tiny-tim said:
btw, can anyone tell me …

what imparts charge to charged particles?? :confused:

ah, i see someone else has started a thread on this …
Amok said:
… I was wondering if you guys could explain to me what is the big deal with the Higgs boson . I get it that it gives mass to particles, but that doesn't really mean much to me. Why isn't there a particle that gives charge to particles? …
 
what imparts charge to charged particles?? :confused:

The most easy to understand answer (and admittedly it's only a beginning) is that in Yukawa theory the meson carries the charge between the proton and neutron or vice versa.

Yukawa's Noble prize lecture:
www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/.../yukawa-lecture.pdf

Deeper of course is how fractions of a charge are exchanged in QCD and the theory of Quarks and how spins are involved
 
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PhilDSP said:
Yukawa's Noble prize lecture:

link obsolete :redface:

"Nobelprize.org launched a new website in June 2010. This can make your bookmarks disappear."​

try http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/1949/yukawa-lecture.pdf :wink:
 
tiny-tim said:
the higgs field imparts mass to other particles

OK. Please explain to me the difference between the Higgs boson/particle and the Higgs field.

In a video for laymen (of which I am one), Daniel Whiteson (an experimental physicist working at CERN) said "The Higgs is the particle responsible for giving mass to other particles." Hence the genesis of my original question in this thread.
 
RJ Emery said:
OK. Please explain to me the difference between the Higgs boson/particle and the Higgs field.

the higgs particle is a particle, the higgs field is a field :confused:
In a video for laymen (of which I am one), Daniel Whiteson (an experimental physicist working at CERN) said "The Higgs is the particle responsible for giving mass to other particles." Hence the genesis of my original question in this thread.

do you mean the video made with jorge cham of phd comicsm, at http://io9.com/daniel-whiteson/ ?

yes, at http://www.phdcomics.com/higgs/index.php?page=6 he says that it's the higgs particle

but immediately after that, at http://www.phdcomics.com/higgs/index.php?page=7 he says that it's the higgs field
 
tiny-tim said:
the higgs particle is a particle, the higgs field is a field ...

I take it you don't know the difference either.

do you mean the video made with jorge cham of phd comicsm, at http://io9.com/daniel-whiteson/? ... at http://www.phdcomics.com/higgs/index.php?page=6 he says that it's the higgs particle, but immediately after that, at http://www.phdcomics.com/higgs/index.php?page=7 he says that it's the higgs field

That was the basis for my question raised in this post.

I await an answer from a more knowledgeable responder.
 
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Isn't a particle just a small packet or excited state of a field? Wouldnt that mean that the Higgs particle IS the Higgs field in a local state of excitement?

Sorry, I'm not a physicist, just interrested.
 

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