High school conditional probability

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating conditional probabilities related to the outcomes of flipping two coins, specifically focusing on the scenarios where at least one coin shows heads. Participants are attempting to determine the probabilities of getting two heads and one head with one tail, while grappling with the application of conditional probability formulas.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion over calculating the conditional probability of getting two heads given that at least one coin is heads, leading to an incorrect result based on their calculations.
  • Another participant proposes that the probability of at least one head (event A) is 3/4, while the probability of both coins being heads (event B) is 1/4, leading to a conditional probability of 1/3 for two heads given at least one head.
  • For the scenario of one head and one tail, a participant calculates the conditional probability as 2/3, asserting that the event of one head and one tail (event B') is distinct from the event of both coins being heads.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the relationship between events A and B, with assertions that B is a subset of A, which raises questions about the notation and concepts of subsets among participants.
  • Participants discuss the formula for the intersection of events, with one participant questioning why the intersection of A and B is equal to B, while another explains that since B is a subset of A, the intersection is indeed B.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the correct approach to calculating the probabilities, as participants present differing calculations and interpretations of conditional probability. Some participants agree on the definitions of events A and B, while others express confusion about the notation and concepts involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the application of conditional probability formulas and the relationships between events, indicating potential gaps in understanding the underlying concepts of probability theory.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for high school students learning about conditional probability, as well as educators looking for insights into common misconceptions and challenges faced by students in understanding probability concepts.

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Two coins are flipped and the results are recorded. Given that one coin lands on a head, find the probability of:

a) Two heads, b) a head and a tail

Searching online is giving my answers which are not using conditional probability at all, and our teacher told us we have to use the formulas etc, but i keep getting it incorrect.

Well i haven't attempted b as i can't do a but here is my working:

Let a be the coin that lands on heads
Let b be the unknown coin

so P(B | A) = P(B and A) / P(A)

P(A) = 1/2
P(B) = 1/2

P(B and A) = 1/4

P(B | A) = 1/4 / 1/2 = 1/2 which is obviously wrong.

To be honest i think P(A) is correct but i don't know how to do P(B).
 
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Let A be event either coin lands on head.

For a. let B be the event both coins land on heads,
P(A)=3/4, P(B)=1/4, P(B|A)=(1/4)/(3/4)=1/3. Note that A ∩ B = B

For b. Let B' be the event that one coin is heads and the other is tail.
P(A)=3/4, P(B')=1/2, P(B'|A)=2/3. Here A ∩ B' = B'
 
mathman said:
Let A be event either coin lands on head.

For a. let B be the event both coins land on heads,
P(A)=3/4, P(B)=1/4, P(B|A)=(1/4)/(3/4)=1/3. Note that A ∩ B = B

For b. Let B' be the event that one coin is heads and the other is tail.
P(A)=3/4, P(B')=1/2, P(B'|A)=2/3. Here A ∩ B' = B'

Clarification: B' is NOT the complement of B in this example.
 
mathman said:
Let A be event either coin lands on head.

For a. let B be the event both coins land on heads,
P(A)=3/4, P(B)=1/4, P(B|A)=(1/4)/(3/4)=1/3. Note that A ∩ B = B

For b. Let B' be the event that one coin is heads and the other is tail.
P(A)=3/4, P(B')=1/2, P(B'|A)=2/3. Here A ∩ B' = B'

Hello,

thank you for your response i cleared it up with my teacher today though i still have a question on how to get P(AnB), why is it = to B? I thought the formula for P(AnB) = P(A) + P(B) - P(AuB), but how do you get p(AuB).

Thank you.
 
synkk said:
Hello,

thank you for your response i cleared it up with my teacher today though i still have a question on how to get P(AnB), why is it = to B? I thought the formula for P(AnB) = P(A) + P(B) - P(AuB), but how do you get p(AuB).

Thank you.

In this case, we have that [itex]B\subseteq A[/itex]. Indeed: if both coins land on head, then one of the coins lands on head.
 
micromass said:
In this case, we have that [itex]B\subseteq A[/itex]. Indeed: if both coins land on head, then one of the coins lands on head.

I'm sorry but what is that symbol, we haven't learned it yet.
 
"subset". The set B= {hh} (both heads) is a subset of A= {hh, ht, th} (at least one head).
 
synkk said:
Hello,

thank you for your response i cleared it up with my teacher today though i still have a question on how to get P(AnB), why is it = to B? I thought the formula for P(AnB) = P(A) + P(B) - P(AuB), but how do you get p(AuB).

Thank you.
Since B is a subset of A, the intersection is B and the union is A.
 

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