Higher dimensional cross products

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The discussion revolves around the existence and definition of cross products in higher dimensions, particularly focusing on dimensions beyond the well-known cases of 3 and 7. Participants explore theoretical frameworks, properties of various algebraic structures, and generalizations of the cross product.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the cross product is well-defined in 3 and 7 dimensions and suggests that it could be extended to 15 dimensions using sedenions, questioning the properties that might prevent this.
  • Another participant defines the cross product mathematically and discusses its properties, emphasizing that sedenions do not form a division ring and can yield zero products for nonzero elements, which challenges the validity of a naive cross product definition in higher dimensions.
  • This second participant also references a theorem by Hurwitz, stating that only certain normed division algebras exist, which limits the possibility of a cross product in dimensions beyond 7.
  • A different perspective is introduced, suggesting that a generalized cross product can exist in every dimension if more than two vectors are involved, allowing for a product that satisfies a generalization of the properties of the traditional cross product.

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Participants express differing views on the existence and definition of cross products in higher dimensions. While some agree on the limitations imposed by algebraic structures like sedenions, others propose alternative definitions that could apply in any dimension.

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The discussion highlights the dependence on the properties of algebraic structures and the unresolved nature of extending the cross product beyond the established dimensions. Specific mathematical steps and assumptions regarding the definitions of cross products in higher dimensions remain unaddressed.

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I've always heard that the cross product only exists in a well defined way for 3 and 7 dimensions. From my own reading I've found that a cross product in 3 dimensions is nothing more than the product of two quaternions with only pure imaginary components (that is, the real part is zero). Likewise, a seven dimensional cross product is simply the product of two octonions where again the real part is zero. But why can't this process simply continue? Why not construct the 16 component sedenians and define the 15 dimensional cross product to be the product of two sedenians with zero real parts? Is there some property of sedenians that disallows this?
 
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Let's begin by defining what a cross product is supposed to be. A cross product is a function

\times:\mathbb{R}^n\times\mathbb{R}^n\rightarrow\mathbb{R}^n

such that

1) ##\times## is bilinear
2) ##\mathbf{x}\cdot (\mathbf{x}\times\mathbf{y}) = (\mathbf{x}\times \mathbf{y})\cdot\mathbf{y} = 0##
3) ##|\mathbf{x}\times\mathbf{y}|^2 = |\mathbf{x}|^2|\mathbf{y}|^2 - (\mathbf{x}\cdot \mathbf{y})^2##

We don't demand anything about a Jacobi identity, which won't be satisfied anyway except in the case ##n=3##.
As you know, in the cases ##n=3## and ##n=7##, there is such a cross product (but it might not be unique in the case ##n=7##). In particular, we can define the cross product by identifiying ##\mathbb{R}^7## with the imaginary octonions and then set

\mathbf{x}\times \mathbf{y} = \textrm{Im}(\mathbf{x}\mathbf{y}) = \frac{1}{2}(\mathbf{x}\mathbf{y} - \mathbf{y}\mathbf{x}).

Something similar works with ##n=3## and the imaginary quaternions.
Now, why doesn't it work with ##n=15## and the imaginary sedenions? Well, sedenions do not form a division ring. Even worse, there are nonzero sedenions whose product is zero. For example,
(e_3 + e_{10})(e_6 - e_{15}) = 0
With this, it is easy to see that the third property is not satisfied. Indeed, we set ##\mathbf{x} = e_3 + e_{10}## and ##\mathbf{y} = e_6 + e_{15}##, which are imaginary sedenions.
\mathbf{x}\times \mathbf{y}= \mathbf{0},~\mathbf{x}\cdot \mathbf{y} = 0

Now, this of course only shows that our naive choice of cross product will not work, but perhaps there is some other choice that does work. This can be proven not to be the case. Indeed, if ##\times## is a cross product on ##\mathbb{R}^n##, then it can be proven that ##\mathbb{R}^{n+1}## is a normed division algebra by setting
(a,\mathbf{x})(b,\mathbf{y}) = (ab-\mathbf{x}\cdot \mathbf{y}, a\mathbf{y} + b\mathbf{x} + \mathbf{x}\times \mathbf{y})
But a famous theorem by Hurwitz shows that the only normed division algebras are ##\mathbb{R}##, ##\mathbb{C}##, the quaternions and the octonions. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurwitz%27s_theorem_(normed_division_algebras )
 
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Thanks so much. That makes it abundantly clear.
 
In another sense, there is in fact a cross product in every dimension, satisfying a generalization of all 3 stated properties, provided one allows more than 2 factors in the product. I.e. for vectors in n space, it is a product of n-1 vectors. This is discussed on pages 84-85 of Spivak's Calculus on Manifolds. The product is essentially a choice of a vector normal to the hyperplane spanned by the given n-1 arguments, or zero if they are not independent. It has direction chosen to give the usual orientation of n space, when combined with the argument sequence, and length chosen to satisfy the analog of property 3.
 

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