Higher Level Derivative Notation

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The discussion revolves around the notation used for higher derivatives in calculus, specifically the incrementing of 'd's in the numerator and 'x's in the denominator. Participants explore the origins and implications of this notation, as well as alternative representations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the 'd's increment in the numerator while the 'x's increment in the denominator when expressing higher derivatives.
  • Another participant notes that Leibniz invented this notation in the 17th century, providing a reference to a Wikipedia article for further reading.
  • A different participant expresses confusion over the notation, recalling a belief that the second derivative could be interpreted as a fraction involving the square of 'dx', suggesting an alternative notation using \(D_{x}(\cdot)\) for clarity.
  • One participant concludes that the notation is customary and behaves as it does due to its established structure, referencing the same Wikipedia article for context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of confusion and understanding regarding the notation, with no consensus on a preferred method of representation or clarity of the existing notation.

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Some participants highlight the ambiguity in the notation and its potential for misinterpretation, indicating that the discussion is limited by differing interpretations of the notation's structure.

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Hi,

With respect to derivative notation...

d/dx(y) //1st derivative of y w.r.t x
d/dx (dy/dx) = d^2y/dx^2 //2nd derivative
d/x (d^2y/dx^2) = d^3y/dx^3 //3rd derivative

If you continue finding derivatives in this way, why do the d's increment in the numerator and not in the denominator while the x's increment in the denominator?

I understand the pattern and even intuitively it makes sense to read: d^2y/dx^2 as the second derivative of y w.r.t x, but I don't understand why the notation behaves this way.

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Thanks!
 
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Hi SpaceRocks, your question is interesting because this choice of notation always create confusion in my mind. There was a period where I belived that ##\frac{d^2}{dx^2}y(x)## was ##\frac{d^2}{(dx)^2}y(x)## but the notation is not clear ... I think that one of the best way to denote the derivative, at list for the first approach, is ##D_{x}(\cdot)##, so the second derivative is ##D_{x}(D_{x}(\cdot))=D_{x}^2(\cdot)## and so on ...

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It looks like it's just a customary notation and it behaves the way it does because that's how it's structured. From the Wiki article, the Use of Various Forms section makes sense of it for me.

Thanks a lot!
 
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