Higher Order Differential Equation: Substitution

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around solving a higher order differential equation of the form x²y'' - 4xy' + 6y = 0 using the substitution v = ln(x). Participants are focused on correctly substituting derivatives in terms of v and addressing the resulting equation.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the substitution of derivatives, particularly dy/dx and d²y/dx², and how to express them in terms of dy/dv. There is uncertainty about the correct form of d²y/dx² after applying the chain rule.

Discussion Status

Some participants have made progress in deriving the second derivative and believe they have reached a correct formulation. However, there is still an ongoing exploration of the derivative substitutions and their implications for solving the differential equation.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention checking their results against external tools, indicating a reliance on verification methods. There is a focus on ensuring the substitutions align with the original differential equation's requirements.

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Homework Statement



Solve x^{2}\times y'' - 4 \times x \times y' + 6 \times y = 0 for y(x) by first using the substitution v = ln(x) to obtain an equation involving y, dy/dv, d^2y/dv^2 and no x. Solve for y(v), then return to y(x).

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The Attempt at a Solution



I know how to solve the differential once I substitute in for v, but what I'm not getting right is the substitution for the derivatives. I know dy/dx = dy/dv \times dv/dx = dy/dv \times \frac{1}{x}, but what I can't figure out is d^2y/dx^2. I got -dy/dv \times \frac{ln(x)}{x^2}, but that's not giving me the right answer (I checked w/ Wolfram Alpha). So, I'm a bit stuck on that.
Any help is appreciated, thanks.
 
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AATroop said:

Homework Statement



Solve x^{2}\times y'' - 4 \times x \times y' + 6 \times y = 0 for y(x) by first using the substitution v = ln(x) to obtain an equation involving y, dy/dv, d^2y/dv^2 and no x. Solve for y(v), then return to y(x).

Homework Equations



NA

The Attempt at a Solution



I know how to solve the differential once I substitute in for v, but what I'm not getting right is the substitution for the derivatives. I know dy/dx = dy/dv \times dv/dx = dy/dv \times \frac{1}{x}, but what I can't figure out is d^2y/dx^2. I got -dy/dv \times \frac{ln(x)}{x^2}, but that's not giving me the right answer (I checked w/ Wolfram Alpha). So, I'm a bit stuck on that.
Any help is appreciated, thanks.

The derivative of a product fg is (fg) ' =f 'g + f g '. (dy/dv) (1/x) is a product of the functions (dy/dv) and 1/x. Apply the chain rule again when you derive dy/dv with respect to x.

ehild
 
Yeah, I think I just got it. My new result for d^2y/dx^2 = dy^2/dv^2 * \frac{1}{x^2} - dy/dv * \frac{1}{x^2}. I think that's right because the diff eq worked out pretty well from there.
 
Well done!

ehild
 
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Awesome! Thanks a bunch for your help.
 

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