Highest Mountain: Mount Everest & Past Higher Mountains

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The discussion centers around the question of whether Mount Everest is the highest mountain in geological history, exploring the potential existence of higher mountains in the past. Participants examine various methods to estimate mountain heights, including geological and isotopic analyses, as well as rock strength calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the O2 isotope composition in limestone could provide insights into past mountain heights, though they note the complexity due to multiple influencing variables.
  • Another participant suggests calculating the maximum possible height of a mountain based on rock strength, presenting a formula that yields a height similar to Everest.
  • There is a contention regarding the validity of using rock strength calculations, with some arguing that a wider mountain could potentially be taller, depending on its shape.
  • Participants discuss the concept of isostatic equilibrium in the Himalayas, noting that while Everest is eroding, it may also be rising due to reduced weight.
  • One participant references a source claiming that there were mountains higher than Everest, though the details are not fully recalled.
  • Questions arise about the specific values used in calculations related to rock strength and mountain height.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the methods for determining past mountain heights and the implications of current geological processes. There is no consensus on whether Everest is definitively the highest mountain or if others may have existed in the past.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the limitations of their methods, including the dependence on specific assumptions and the complexity of geological factors influencing mountain height.

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Mount Everest is the highest mountain according to sea level, but can we know if there has ever been a higher mountain in geological history?
 
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How would you do that? Interesting possibility is the O2 isotope composition in limestone. Since the rayleigh effect strongly depletes heavy isotopes 18O and 2H in precipitation at higher elevations, it may be registered in weathering of silicate rocks to limestone. But then again the dew point temperature is also strongly determining the isotope ratios (d18O and dD), so we have -as just about always- one equation with more than one variables.
 
You can also work out the maximum possible height of a mountain from rock strength.
It's around h = 16 \gamma / \rho g where \gamma is young's modulus and \rho is density
which gives roughly the same height as Everest.
 
mgb_phys said:
You can also work out the maximum possible height of a mountain from rock strength.
It's around h = 16 \gamma / \rho g where \gamma is young's modulus and \rho is density
which gives roughly the same height as Everest.

I don't think this really works, because a wider mountain could be taller. Also because Everst is only the tallest according to sea level, and another mountain with its base higher above sea-level would be higher if it were as tall as Everest.

However, you could simply check to see if Everest is currently being thrust up. If it isn't, then it's being worn down, so there was a mountain higher than Everest; Everest!
 
LURCH said:
I don't think this really works, because a wider mountain could be taller.
Only if it was a specific and unlikely shape (exponential curve - so mass above a certain level is less than the mass below)

Also because Everst is only the tallest according to sea level,
Yes Mauna Kea is slightly higher from it's base (underwater) - but it's only an estimate, the factor depends on the shape of the mountain. It can also behigher if there is somthing to stop the base spreading out.

However, you could simply check to see if Everest is currently being thrust up. If it isn't, then it's being worn down, so there was a mountain higher than Everest; Everest!
Generally the himalayas are in isostatic equilibrium, Everest is being worn down by erosion but the reduced weight means it floats up and maintains roughly the same height.
 
According the the NGC series "Earth Investigated" there were mountains higher than Mount Everest, I think in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctica" , I don't remember...
 
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mgb_phys said:
You can also work out the maximum possible height of a mountain from rock strength.
It's around h = 16 \gamma / \rho g where \gamma is young's modulus and \rho is density
which gives roughly the same height as Everest.
What values did you use to find roughly the same height as Everest?
 

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