Hilbert action according to robert wald

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The discussion revolves around the variation of the Hilbert action as presented in Robert Wald's book on general relativity, specifically focusing on the variation of the Ricci tensor with respect to a parameter. Participants explore the implications of Wald's approach and compare it to other methods, particularly addressing the use of Einstein's equation in the derivation process.

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  • One participant questions the reasoning behind Wald's use of Einstein's equation on the unperturbed metric to derive the same equation, expressing confusion over the circularity of the argument.
  • Another participant suggests an alternative method presented by Carroll, which they find to be more straightforward and easier to understand.
  • A different participant expresses a critical view of Wald's book, arguing that it complicates concepts unnecessarily and suggesting that a direct application of the variation to the Ricci tensor could simplify the process.

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Participants express differing opinions on the clarity and complexity of Wald's approach compared to alternative methods. There is no consensus on the best method to derive the variation of the Hilbert action.

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Participants highlight potential limitations in Wald's derivation, particularly regarding the assumptions made about the unperturbed metric and the implications of using Einstein's equation in the derivation process.

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hi everyone
i'm brand new to forums and I'm holdin a seminar on a variation of the hilbert action as described in wald's book general relativity. if anyone knows that book and topic pretty well maybe you can help me, my question is this:

for the variation [itex]\delta R_{ab}[/itex] with respect to parameter [itex]\lambda[/itex] of the ricci tensor [itex]R_{ab}[/itex] wald uses a result from the end of chapter 7, where he assumes [itex]g_0^{ab}[/itex] to be a solution of einstein's equation, so in the calculation of [itex]\delta R_{ab}[/itex] he assumes already that [itex]R_{ab} = 0[/itex] at $\lambda = 0$ so he works it out in terms of the tensor [itex]C^c_{ab}[/itex] (the tensor difference between two covariant derivatives).

my problem is: he uses einstein's equation on the unperturbed metric to fish out [itex]\delta R_{ab}[/itex], then uses that to derive einstein's equation with the hilbert action.

is there a good explanation for using this equation to derive this very same equation? i hope i explained myself clearly enough.

thanks in advance
 
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Carroll's derivation seems pretty straight forward (see pg. 114): http://preposterousuniverse.com/grnotes/grnotes-four.pdf
 
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thanks very much, that is an easier method. good work.
 
That's one reason I've never really liked Wald's book. Some things are being made much more complicated than necessary, unless you're a die-hard mathematician. Indeed, the easiest way is to apply the variation directly to the definition of the Ricci tensor and use covariance arguments (or do the whole calculation).
 

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