Homework SolutionProve Hyperbolic Function: Solving for x in Terms of y

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The problem involves proving a relationship between hyperbolic functions, specifically showing that if \(\sinh^{-1}x=2\cosh^{-1}y\), then \(x^2=4y^2(y^2-1)\). The discussion centers around manipulating hyperbolic identities and logarithmic expressions.

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  • Participants discuss rewriting hyperbolic functions in terms of logarithms and exploring identities related to hyperbolic sine and cosine. There are attempts to manipulate equations to isolate \(x^2\) and questions about the validity of steps taken, particularly regarding the use of identities and the implications of squaring both sides of equations.

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The discussion is active with multiple participants providing insights and suggestions. Some participants have offered hints about using identities for hyperbolic functions, while others are exploring various algebraic manipulations. There is recognition of the complexity involved in the transformations, and no explicit consensus has been reached on the final proof.

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Participants note challenges in simplifying expressions and the potential complications that arise from manipulating logarithmic and hyperbolic forms. There is also mention of the need to verify assumptions about the functions involved.

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Homework Statement
If [itex]\sinh^{-1}x=2\cosh^{-1}y[/itex], prove that [itex]x^2=4y^2(y^2-1)[/itex]

The attempt at a solution
I re-wrote [itex]\sinh^{-1}x[/itex] and [itex]2\cosh^{-1}y[/itex] in terms of x and y.
[tex]\sinh^{-1}x=\ln(x+\sqrt{x^2+1})<br /> \\2\cosh^{-1}y=2\ln(y+\sqrt{y^2-1})=\ln(y+\sqrt{y^2-1})^2<br /> \\\ln(x+\sqrt{x^2+1})=\ln(y+\sqrt{y^2-1})^2<br /> \\x+\sqrt{x^2+1}=(y+\sqrt{y^2-1})^2<br /> \\x+\sqrt{x^2+1}=2y^2+2y\sqrt{y^2-1}-1[/tex]
From this point onwards, i know that i have to manipulate that equation to get the proof. But, i don't know how to get only [itex]x^2[/itex] on the L.H.S. I tried and squared both sides, but the expressions just expand even more.
 
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You might have better luck if you begin by taking ##sinh## of both sides and think about identities.
 
Hi LCKurtz

OK, i multiplied by [itex]\sinh[/itex] on both sides:

[tex]x=\sinh (2\cosh^{-1}y)<br /> \\x=\frac{e^{2\cosh^{-1}y}-e^{-2\cosh^{-1}y}}{2}<br /> \\2x=(y+\sqrt{y^2-1})^2-(y+\sqrt{y^2-1})^{-2}<br /> \\2x=\frac{(y+\sqrt{y^2-1})^4-1}{(y+\sqrt{y^2-1})^2}[/tex]
And then i don't know where it's going...
 
sharks said:
Hi LCKurtz

OK, i multiplied by [itex]\sinh[/itex] on both sides:

[tex]x=\sinh (2\cosh^{-1}y)<br /> \\x=\frac{e^{2\cosh^{-1}y}-e^{-2\cosh^{-1}y}}{2}<br /> \\2x=(y+\sqrt{y^2-1})^2-(y+\sqrt{y^2-1})^{-2}<br /> \\2x=\frac{(y+\sqrt{y^2-1})^4-1}{(y+\sqrt{y^2-1})^2}[/tex]
And then i don't know where it's going...

You don't "multiply" both sides by ##sinh##. You take the ##sinh## of both sides. You are too anxious to plug in all those exponentials and square roots. At that very first step you have the ##sinh## of a double "angle" on the right. My hint mentioned identities...
 
[itex]\sinh (\sinh^{-1}x)=\sinh (2\cosh^{-1}y)<br /> \\x=2\sinh(\cosh^{-1}y)\cosh(\cosh^{-1}y)<br /> \\x=2\sinh(\cosh^{-1}y)(y)<br /> \\x=(e^{\cosh^{-1}y}-e^{-\cosh^{-1}y})(y)<br /> \\\frac{x}{y}=(y+\sqrt{y^2-1})-(y+\sqrt{y^2-1})^{-1} [/itex]
Then, i expand the R.H.S over a common denominator and end up with a complicated form.
 
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sharks said:
[itex]\sinh (\sinh^{-1}x)=\sinh (2\cosh^{-1}y)<br /> \\x=2\sinh(\cosh^{-1}y)\cosh(\cosh^{-1}y)<br /> \\x=2\sinh(\cosh^{-1}y)(y)<br /> \\x=(e^{\cosh^{-1}y}-e^{-\cosh^{-1}y})(y)<br /> \\\frac{x}{y}=(y+\sqrt{y^2-1})-(y+\sqrt{y^2-1})^{-1} [/itex]
Then, i expand the R.H.S over a common denominator and end up with a complicated form.

Following on from LCKurtz, can you find an identity for the double angle formula and then for cosh^-1(sinh(x)) and sinh^-1(cosh(x))?

Think about how to write sinh(2x) in terms of sinh(x) and cosh(x) for the first part.
 
chiro said:
Think about how to write sinh(2x) in terms of sinh(x) and cosh(x) for the first part.

That's exactly what I've done in line 2.

[itex]\sinh 2A=2\sinh A\cosh A[/itex]
Let [itex]A=\cosh^{-1}y<br /> \\\sinh (2\cosh^{-1}y)=2\sinh(\cosh^{-1}y)\cosh(\cosh^{-1}y)[/itex]
Then,
[tex]\sinh(\sinh^{-1}x)=x[/tex]I've tried to prove the above, but i can't figure it out, however according to my calculator (using random values), it's correct.

Re-writing it here:
[tex]x=2\sinh(\cosh^{-1}y)\cosh(\cosh^{-1}y)[/tex]
Or, did you mean, to expand the L.H.S:
[tex]\sinh (\sinh^{-1}x)=2\sinh (\frac{\sinh^{-1}x}{2})\cosh(\frac{\sinh^{-1}x)}{2})[/tex]OK, i got it!

From,
[tex]x=2\sinh(\cosh^{-1}y)\cosh(\cosh^{-1}y)=2\sinh(\cosh^{-1}y)(y)[/tex]
[tex]\frac{x}{2y}=\sinh(\cosh^{-1}y)[/tex]
Squaring both sides:
[tex]\frac{x^2}{4y^2}=\sinh^2(\cosh^{-1}y)[/tex]
[tex]\frac{x^2}{4y^2}=\cosh^2(\cosh^{-1}y)-1[/tex]
[tex]\frac{x^2}{4y^2}=y^2-1[/tex]
Therefore,
[tex]x^2=4y^2(y^2-1)[/tex]But I'm wondering how to prove this expression?
[tex]\sinh(\sinh^{-1}x)=x[/tex]
 
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sharks said:
But I'm wondering how to prove this?
[tex]\sinh(\sinh^{-1}x)=x[/tex]

That's simply the inverse function acting on the output of a function to return the original value.

[itex]f^{-1}(f(x)) = x[/itex]
 
It makes perfect sense, but what if i actually worked it out? Will it be too complicated?

Here is a trial...
[tex]\sinh(\sinh^{-1}x)<br /> \\=\sinh(\ln (x +\sqrt{x^2+1}))<br /> \\=\frac { e^{\ln (x +\sqrt {x^2+1})}-e^{-\ln (x +\sqrt {x^2+1})} } {2}<br /> \\=\frac { (x +\sqrt {x^2+1})-(x +\sqrt {x^2+1})^{-1} } {2}<br /> \\=\frac { \frac{(2x^2 +2x\sqrt {x^2+1})}{(x +\sqrt {x^2+1})} } {2}<br /> \\=\frac { 2x\frac{(x +\sqrt {x^2+1})}{(x +\sqrt {x^2+1})} } {2}<br /> \\=\frac{2x}{2}<br /> \\=x[/tex]
 
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